Back in ’88 they were teaching the tap and credae method; and it was not working for me, until I started drinking beer on home visits. After several tall cans of barley-pop; I felt this strange sensation near my anus, the flood gates opened and the urine process was so forceful it blew my condom cath clean off of me. When I returned to the hospital I told my rehab doc about the beer making me void on my own; and he prescribed me 3 beers a day (my rehab doc was a marathon running non-drinker), now I just have a couple of beers every other day. I have been cathed about 5 or 6 times in over 20 years (due to a full bowel and the few bladder infections I have had), I’ve only had about three bladder infections. I void about 300 to 500 cc’s each time I void and always have residual; but I’ve been told that my mass amounts of water that I drink doesn’t give bacteria a chance to grow. I recently had an abdominal/pelvic CT w/contrast done, and it showed that my kidneys and everything looked good, my BUN and Creatinine levels have always been good as well. This way of voiding may not be for everyone; but any invasive anything puts you at risk for infection. Nearly 21 years later I still void on my own (I use the Freedom Active condom cath and a leg bag) if I am going in somewhere for a long period of time, I will tap whatever I can out. Tim c5-c6, 20 yrs. post
www.geocities.com/onemofortom WhoopieKat.com --- On Thu, 4/9/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] TRAINED BLADDER- Thumping To: [email protected], [email protected] Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:07 PM Bladder Thumping, must be a guy thang, lol. I've never known a woman to try it. Rare is thumping advised because it does not completely empty the bladder, but does well it voiding a full bladder. So you are always voiding about 80% of your bladder and allowing the rest of the urine to populate bacteria. Urologist like when the bladder is completely emptied. I know of some old men who are walking with impaired bladders that don't empty with each void. They too are prone to bladder infections and UTIs. Remember that at no time should you void more then 800 cc or urine without stopping for 3-10 minutes, to allow the bladder to contract and prevent a possible stroke. But John, I'm sure that you heard that too. Best Wishes W In a message dated 4/9/2009 3:27:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: For the last 12 years, I've only been catheterized to see what residual is left in my bladder. I'm usually between 30 to 50 CC's. My bladder control is based on me stimulating my bladder by a series of taps on my abdomen. If I lay in bed, an external catherter is a must, it seems to flow in 250CC increments. after about 5 hours in the chair, I can use a urinal and get about 500CC's. Very few, (actually none)have mentioned this method. Is it no longer in vogue at rehab centers? I realize it takes 3 to 6 months to train the bladder, but is it even attempted? I remember several people in the 80's using electrodes to train their bladder to empty fully. I haven't heard any of the younger quads that have any idea what I'm talking about. It seems like everyone goes right to an SP. then they experience chronic infections that diminish the efficasy of anti-biotics when they get other infections. The other thing I've noticed is so many take anti-biotics and I'm hoping they are replacing the good bacteria. A lot of the side effects of anti-biotics do not occur if you replace the good bacteria that was just wiped by the medicine. In studies, a healthy colony of good bacteria keep the bad bacteria in check by consuming the food supply the pseudomonas and staph bacteria need to grow. This includes MRSA. There is nothing new about fighting bad bacteria with benificial bacteria, and it is even being sold as a daily health drink. A lot of health food stores have much more potent forms to take for chronic infections. Best Wishes, john Yeah, the guy with a runaway skin infection from a frickin' spider bite. I haven't had this much medicine since I had pneumonia in '94. New Deals on Dell Netbooks - Now starting at $299
