I'm not judgemental about suicide. If you can't deal, then it's up to you. I've lost so many good friends that way that I can't condemn them all. Many weren't even crippled. I've had so much crap thrown at me and I still have a perverse need to throw some back. Besides, I like to learn. Who knows, maybe I'll follow them someday, but not today. john s.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Gmail <[email protected]> Date:11/06/2014 3:24 PM (GMT-05:00) To: RONALD L PRACHT <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Monkey shines Soooooooo many family & friends say to me periodically " ... I don't know how you do it, I couldn't." Meaning live a life as a quad. I tell them "I do it because I have no choice and one day at a time." Bobbie Smile Everyday On Nov 6, 2014, at 2:10 PM, RONALD L PRACHT <[email protected]> wrote: Your right everybody says that but 99 percent would deal with it and do what they can. I had a guy once tell me he would of pulled the plug, then some girl went crazy on him telling him ..........what plug? What it comes down to if your above ground you deal with what you got, its about what you still have, not what you don't have. Keep wiglin and jiglin what you got. ron On Thursday, November 6, 2014 1:02 PM, Larry Willis <[email protected]> wrote: I think most able-bodied folks say they would choose death over quadom. My high school students used to say that. It's an easy thing to say, but when it actually happens, attitudes change. The will to live is a pretty strong force. Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: Resent-From: [email protected] From: Ed Tessier <[email protected]> Date: November 6, 2014 at 12:47:05 PM EST To: RONALD L PRACHT <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Re: Monkey shines When monkey shines came out friends in Hollywood warned it would paint a terrible picture of quadriplegia. A group of us out ADAPT, the disability civil rights organization, were absolutely appalled. We organized a demonstration that was carried by national media and triggered similar protests in other cities. we weren't protesting the horror premise – – the genre is outlandish by definition. We were protesting the entire back story regarding the disabilities, that we live in nightmare existence, isolated, despised, deformed by self-loathing and hate for everybody else. This judgment went completely un-critiqued by the narrative and, I'm sad to say, the audience. One able-bodied civil rights activist polled people as they left showings of the movie. 80 something percent said quadriplegic was a life not worth living. That is the fuel for discrimination, prejudice and all the way up to euthanasia. I don't think we're much better off 26 years later. kill me I'm a quad still proliferate. On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 5:54 PM, RONALD L PRACHT <[email protected]> wrote: after my last surgery I went back to my swimming and lifting as soon as possible. Upon returning my coach told me "you are a fucked up quad Ron". I said "no Steve the fucked up quads are at home and never go out" Ron On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:45 PM, Larry Willis <[email protected]> wrote: Well said, Ron. I think you expressed the feelings of many of us. On Wednesday, November 5, 2014, RONALD L PRACHT <[email protected]> wrote: I have thought about suicide many times. Its not really to do with being a quad in itself.............its the pain, hurt, being shunned, what could have beens, people throwing the blame on you, watching other people live full lives while you struggle to hold your own or make small gains. The times where I have been happy I was doing things, going places with girlfriends, doing my swimming..........then things were good and life was worth it. Its a very slippery slope as a quad if you have little support. Im sure someone on here will tell how life is better now as a quad and they make more money now and women just knock the door down to sleep with them. Its really about your support system and some about self motivation. I have seen people on both ends of the spectrum and everywhere in between. enjoy the ride while you can. ron On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:09 PM, Gmail <[email protected]> wrote: I already know exactly how I am going to carry it out when my pain gets bad enough. Bobbie Smile Everyday > On Nov 5, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Larry Willis <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm in the process of watching Monkey Shines right now (Wed 2:47 pm). The doc > just said 6 out of ten quads attempt suicide. He didn't say how many were > successful. What do you guys think about that number? I've thought about it > many times but never actually attempted. Thoughts of my family always pull me > out of it. If I were absolutely alone and in a nursing home, might be a > different story. Or maybe not. I dunno.
