If you use the two piece, are you familiar with venting the air on your
own? (I do it with one hand and a pencil) I, too, am at work from 11a to
8p. I've spent my fair share of lunches doing bag changes wherever I can
drive to meet my wife or attendant.

Work is what pushed me to stay on fiber gummies. Take 2 every day for nice
poo. The "pancakes" Greg mentioned were embarrassing at the office.

Aaron Mann


On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 3:00 PM Michelle Kephart <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I use the Hollister brand and it has a little vent, but it's not great at
> letting air pass-through. I don't have to put a lot of air in the bag. Just
> enough to prevent it from being a completely flat vacuum. I take Senna
> every few days if my stool starts to get thick, but it's usually not a bad
> consistency. Part of the problem is that I'm not able to change the bag or
> wafer on my own, and I'm by myself for a majority of the day. When it used
> to leak, it would happen very slowly. If I could change it on my own, it
> wouldn't really be a problem at all. The only time it would make a mess was
> when it started early in the day and I couldn't find anyone to come by to
> help me change it. I know the air trick is unusual, but I haven't had a
> single accident when we do it. Even with all the troubleshooting I've had
> to do over the past year, it's way better than anything I experienced with
> my old bowel program. I'm so glad I have it now.
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 3:35 PM Greg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I never had a leak, but had the wafer lift up, called "Pancaking."
>> When the poo is soft a sticky, it blocks the opening and goes under the
>> wafer. Luckily its not messy. It seams  the messier it could be, the less
>> likely will be. Though if its really runy, make sure you don't let it fill
>> up over full.
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On 3/13/2020 2:21 PM, Aaron Mann wrote:
>>
>> I never have an issue with the bag leaking due to not having air. Do you
>> have the bags with the air vent on them or without? Is the wafer getting
>> pushed off your belly from the stool? If it is the latter, I have found
>> that consistency of the stool can matter. If it is too firm, try taking
>> Fiber Gummies or Fiber and some other form to loosen your stool lab so it
>> doesn't push the wafer off. I offer this because I know what a pain it is
>> to constantly have a bag with air in it on your belly.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020, 8:27 PM Michelle Kephart <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I got a colostomy almost one year ago, and I wish I would’ve done it
>>> sooner.  I am 37 years old and 11 years post injury, C4/5 complete. I spent
>>> the better part of the year trying to figure out why the wafer would not
>>> stay on and nothing was in the bag. I finally figured out that it was
>>> because of a lack of air in the bag. I found this website to be extremely
>>> helpful with troubleshooting:
>>> https://www.veganostomy.ca/ostomy-leaks-tips/
>>>
>>> I decided to get a colostomy because I was having more accidents and the
>>> constant anxiety that I was about to have another accident was wearing me
>>> down. I was afraid to vary my diet at all. Now that I have the colostomy, I
>>> rarely think about it. Even when my colostomy leaks, it is so much easier
>>> to clean up. It doesn't get on my chair, I don't have to sit on the mess,
>>> and I don't have to worry about poop getting on my skin sores when I have
>>> them. If we catch the leak early enough and it doesn't get on my clothes, I
>>> don't even have to get out of my chair to clean up. And since we solved the
>>> mystery of why my bag was leaking, I have not had a single accident. I also
>>> love that my life is not dictated by the schedule of my bowel program. My
>>> skin sores healed up pretty well after I stopped sitting in my shower chair
>>> for so long.
>>>
>>> Like Aaron said, sex is pretty doable with the colostomy. Go into it
>>> with a fresh empty bag. In fact, I think it's better because I'm no longer
>>> worried about pooping on my husband (that's never happened, but it would be
>>> mortifying)! And yes, the farts are audible. I also like to keep a blanket
>>> or something else on my stomach that will muffle it. Or I blame the dog :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 5:51 PM Aaron Mann <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> C4/5 | 32 years post| 47yr old
>>>>
>>>> I got my colostomy ~ 20 years post. At the time I got it done I was
>>>> going in for my 2nd flap surgery. I developed a small wound on my bottom
>>>> that progressed to a stage 3 quickly. The problem I was having is that I
>>>> would have an accident, not be thoroughly cleaned on/in the wound, and just
>>>> spending 1-2 hours every other day on a hard shower chair. These factors
>>>> make it near impossible to prevent fecal infections in any type of wound.
>>>> Once that happens the healing process is greatly hampered. The plastic
>>>> surgeon said that I had to do everything I could to prevent future skin
>>>> breakdown. He asked me about a colostomy and it took me two months to
>>>> decide.
>>>>
>>>> Post colostomy:
>>>> I really wish I'd done this sooner. Granted having a colostomy when
>>>> younger would have presented very uncomfortable life situations. I tell you
>>>> though, not having to do bowel programs is a HUGE plus. No more training
>>>> caregivers how to put suppositories in me, stick their finger up my bum
>>>> checking to see if I'm done. Not to mention the embarrassing times of
>>>> having an accident. Some so bad that crap is EVERYWHERE. Being cleaned up
>>>> like a 1 year old. Completely and totally ashamed that someone has to clean
>>>> you up. It is so much easier to have a bag and/or wafer change.  Travel is
>>>> more convenient. No need for dragging around a shower chair.
>>>>
>>>> Now, few downsides, some more important than others depending on how
>>>> well you handle things. If you don't keep regular with the right diet, your
>>>> stool can be too firm and push the right off your belly. Too loose and
>>>> you'll be changing more often. It has taken me years to figure out on my
>>>> own the right combination of fiber gummies to take daily to keep it just
>>>> right. Let's talk gas. Now farts are funny at any age. You must have a
>>>> sense of humor if you have a colostomy. There is no longer the built in
>>>> muffler of sitting on a cushioned seat. Make a fart sound with your lips
>>>> right now. That is what colostomy farts sound like. I carry a hoodie on my
>>>> lap for two purposes; I can bundle it as a makeshift muffler over my bag on
>>>> gassy days or wear it when cold. Sex. Have your attention now? Spontaneity
>>>> will present some new barriers to overcome. Best answer is be open to
>>>> adaptation regarding your colostomy.  If I plan on having fun with my wife
>>>> or whoever (just kidding hon), then I have a wide ace wrap to put around my
>>>> belly to cover the belly bag. It has worked so far for those intimate bumps
>>>> n rubs.
>>>>
>>>> Please ask questions, best thing us old quads can do is impart our
>>>> ?wisdom?
>>>>
>>>> Aaron Mann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 3:29 PM Danny Espinoza <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got one but as a result of my seat belt cutting in to me and
>>>>> haven't known anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Danny
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> Subject: [QUAD-L] Colostomy - Yea or Nay?
>>>>> From: "Nancy Gillen" <[email protected]>
>>>>> Date: Wed, March 04, 2020 7:17 am
>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nancy Gillen <[email protected]>
>>>>> 9:58 AM (18 minutes ago)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am seriously thinking of getting a colostomy. If you have a
>>>>> colostomy,  will you share your experiences/opinions. Need  input.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Nan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>

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