Hi Jim, I doubt it Jim as the industry seems to play by strict rules. You may be able to find somewhere backstreet to fill CO2, fire extinguisher places have been known. I saw recently that BOC have changed their way of operating "to improve customer service"!!!!! They are starting a program where every bottle is barcoded so that you can prove ownership when it comes to refills. I see this as a way of eliminating the BOC bottles that are outside of a rental agreement.. The rollout has started and details are on thier website.
If it's C)2 you require and infrequently, your local landlord may "lend "you a bottle. It seems that gas sold through the drinks chain can only be sold to registered companies.. Ive tried justabout all ways without sucess. I have even been refused CO2 refills of black fire extinguishers as they must be red now! Euro law! Ken From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Welding & GAs Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 15:32:19 +0100 Me and my Dad have 2 BOC cylinders on one rental, somebody gave us the other cylinder. Would one of these other companies refill the BOC cylinder without a rental or cylinder charge i wonder. Jim From: Ken Needham Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Welding & GAs Hi Derek, The Product range is called Albee. If you do a web search on albee gas on google, theres all the info you need. sizes, weld times etc. My supplier in Reading is Harrington's. If you are near Reading, I can recommend them. They have a useful website for calor etc and the Albee products.: regards Ken Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Welding & GAs From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:49:16 +0100 To: [email protected] Got the light sensitive mask straight away as I want to see what is happening and keep my sight. It would be useful to have details of the Air Products bottles by the sound of them. Thanks to you and Jim for the tips. Seems like much of welding is practicing the skill. So more practice coming up! Cheers Derek On 22 Oct 2013, at 06:39, [email protected] wrote: Glad you are running now. The prices are about norm. Air Products now do a bottle which you Buy for about 130 pounds as i remember and get refilled. Much better than BOC as no rental! Much depends on location, more in north than south. Standard bottles require a large regulator but the Air Products bottles have one built in. I can get more details if you are interested. I expect you already know but having a light sensitive mask is really worthwhile investment. NEVER strike the arc without mask. Arc eyes is like rubbing sand in and thats the least affect! Bevel the mating edges on 3 mm forming a V. You will get a stronger joint. Regards Ken Sent from my HTC ----- Reply message ----- From: "Derek Clews" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Welding & GAs Date: Mon, Oct 21, 2013 8:01 pm Thanks Ken, I am not sure why, but on the web there have been notes of the same behaviour, it seemed to be impossible and then difficult to get gas to flow. Now its fine and controllable. Why? - I am not sure, maybe just a new valve with some plastic dust in the system? Tried different bottles as well and I now get the hiss and it is easier to weld! Yep, got 2mm practice sheet and the first job is on 3 mm. (when I manufacture the bracket) More practice ahead! Found this offer for disposable small bottles - Large capacity £15 each buy three get the third half price. CO2, Argon/CO2 And Argon all the same price and you can mix them. http://www.thewelderswarehouse.com/Welding/Mig_Tig_Gases1..html And this for Refillable 1300litre Argon/CO2, no rental. http://www.r-techwelding.co.uk/welding_equipment/welding-gas Are these prices good in your experience? Derek On 21 Oct 2013, at 16:54, Ken Needham wrote: hi Derek, I've used the 160 version for some years with small bottles and large. I found with the small bottle and regulator that screws on top of the bottle, if you power off the unit with gas connected, when you press the trigger you can hear the gas hiss at the nozzel as you turn up the regulator. It should sound clear but soft. If it's harsh you are probably wasting gas. With Practise gas lasts much longer and as Jim says one only welds for a few seconds. Trouble is once the joys of success are found, there is so much to weld! then it's on to a large bottle and ball in sleeve type regulator. Gas type does make a difference. Co2 is ok and cheapest but an Argon mix does give a bette Try starting with metal about 2mm thick as thin metal is more difficult. Less than 2mm use 0.6 mm welding wire with the correct tip. Play on scrap first, it vreally is worth practising.p Good luck Ken > Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Welding & GAs > From: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 23:12:45 +0100 > To: [email protected] > > Thanks Jim. > > No flow meeter fitted just the basic kit. The small bottle regulator supplied has markings on the top that are described in the manual as set 3 -4 for 2 to 3 litres per minute.. Seems I was getting nothing at first but now still not enough. I'll look for a flow meter but gauges seem to be for large bottles on the whole. > > Cheers > > Derek > > > On 20 Oct 2013, at 19:40, Jim Hearne wrote: > > > You can run the bigger welders from a 13 amp plug, you might blow an occasional fuse if welding on the maximum current but i can't remember the last time mine went. > > Remember a 13amp fuse won't actually blow instantly at 13 amps, it will take many seconds, they need 2 or 3 times there rated current to blow straight away. > > > > I can hear a hiss of gas from mine in use (not over the sound of the weld but while the trigger is pressed). > > A louder initial noise and then a quieter hiss. > > Is your flow meter just a pressure gauge calibrated in l/Min ?, if so invest in one with the ball in the vertical tube, they are much more accurate. > > Not that i can remember what mine is set to, more like 5 l/min i think. > > if you are welding outside with any wind you need to turn it up more. > > > > The times you quote would be for a continuous weld but in practice most welds will only be a few seconds long if that. > > So it lasts a lot longer than you think. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > On 20/10/2013 18:30, Derek Clews wrote: > >> Hi, got the Clarke Mig 135TE welder in the end due to the power requirements and this being the largest on a normal 13 Amp plug. Been giving it a try and now seem to be settling to it. I found I had to turn the power and speed down more than expected from the manual and had to play around a lot with the gas to get it flowing. Most practice welds were gasless due to that issue! > >> > >> So just a question on gas for those who have the experience. How much of a sound should I get from the gas flowing. I now get a 'fhut' sound when pressing the trigger if pressurised. But cannot hear a hiss as such. Is the 2-3 litres/min quoted in the manual such low flow for the handle? (it's not a lot really I suppose) > >> > >> Also I have seen some posts on the web about the small bottles lasting for only short periods like, 6 minutes of welding. That would be 18 litres at 3 litres/min. So does the rate have to be really high despite the manufacturers figures or are they set up wrong. You can get a small bottle of 110 litres and at 3 litres/min that should last 36 mins by my maths. A bit different. 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