I found it again. It's in the section entitled 'brexit benefit to kit cars?' I have trouble finding anything with a Pistonheads search - it just doesn't seem to find anything current! (no pun intended) anyway, here's the comment, from Stuart Mills of MEV. Oh it won't paste! Here's the link
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=30&t=1591234&i=80 Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony Johnson To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Digest for [email protected] - 5 updates in 2 topics Thanks for heads up. Couldn't find the article you mention though. As Kit car was already road legal (although SORN at present) it may just be a change on the form from petrol to EV once an official has checked it? Sent from my iPhone 6S+ On 13 May 2016, at 22:26, [email protected] wrote: [email protected] Google Groups Topic digest View all topics a.. Electric 2+2, selling engine and stainless exhaust. - 2 Updates b.. Overheating - 3 Updates Electric 2+2, selling engine and stainless exhaust. "Susan and Martin Scott" <[email protected]>: May 12 11:28PM +0100 I just searched for your note because there was mention on Pistonheads (look in Kit Car section) about it being impossible to IVA an electric kit car! If you intend to put it on the road, it may be prudent to investigate. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 11:21 AM Subject: [Quantum Owners] Electric 2+2, selling engine and stainless exhaust. I will be trying (again) to convert my 2+2 using a kit, this time as a school project. At the same time it will get a refurb, better electric windows, heated seats etc and as many upgrades and toys as makes sense. It already has a mk 3 fiesta dash as never liked original dash. Anyone done conversion. Any guidance on this would be appreciated. Also with how to make the rest of the car the "Ultimate 2+2". A low mileage Xetec 1.8, stainless exhaust and fuel tank will be up for grabs if anyone is interested. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. 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Jamest142 <[email protected]>: May 13 12:03PM -0700 Hiya Not sure on the road legal part, but there was someone with a demo of a kit which was electric - had a motor attached to a gearbox, and lead acid batteries in the front bay area. There was no body attached - it was just a space frame chassis. I cannot remember what the company was called - but it was tucked in one of the areas between the halls, and was next to a stand showing car seats and electronic speedos. I hope this helps. James T Q2-002 Back to top Overheating "Chris" <[email protected]>: May 13 10:34AM +0100 Ok, I’ll investigate the starter wire for the ignition switch (I thought that was the earth...hey ho). I used a 17 amp wire because it was the biggest I had plus it was bigger than the wire fitted to the fan (aftermarket). >The fan should only be coming on in slow moving or stationary traffic, if it's overheating while moving it's something else. Any suggestions? The engine was rebuilt just over a year ago, when it was rebuilt before (11 years and 120,000 miles before) it also ran hot for a while then ran cooler as the years went by. Chris G From: Jim Hearne Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 7:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Overheating I hope you've fixed your problem, but.... The only earth wire from the starter is the great big black one from the engine block/starter to the battery. If that had a break in it i'd also expect you to have trouble with the battery charging and the engine cutting out. Also, the fan wouldn't normally be earthed to that point, though it is a Quantum so it's possible somebody did. If you have intermittent starting issues it's probably the starter wire from the ignition switch that has the problem (Black with a Blue stripe from memory), quite possibly it's the round push on fitting on the end if it's original or a crimp connector if not. The stud or tab on the starter is plated steel and rusts creating an intermittent connection. Also, 17 amp wire isn't really enough for the fan circuit, the fan is fused with a 20 amp fuse. I would use 27 to 30 amp (3mm squared) wire for the fan circuit The fan should only be coming on in slow moving or stationary traffic, if it's overheating while moving it's something else. Sorry, Jim On 12/05/2016 16:12, Chris wrote: My 1.6 saloon has been plagued by overheating problems for nearly a year. The Thermostat was playing up – so I changed it. The Fan switch was intermittent – see above. The Head gasket blew – bugger.....see above. The Fan switch plug disintegrated – ditto. The Fan was notchy – you get the idea.......... After all that it STILL overheated alot. Until I had a thought........ The Earth wire from the starter has a break in it (I know this), so that sometimes when I turn the key nothing happens and I have to pop the bonnet and wiggle the wire a bit, then try again. The Fans Earth connects to the same wire......Hmmm ‘If the Earth wire is dodgy between the Fan and the Battery, that would explain alot’ I now have a New 17 amp wire running from the Fan earth to the battery. Yesterday, for the first time in a long time, it Didn’t overheat. In fact, the needle didn’t even get halfway up the gauge! I’m currently touching every piece of wood in the house, hoping that I have now Finally fixed it........ Chris G No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6201 / Virus Database: 4568/12210 - Release Date: 05/11/16 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. 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To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. "Chris" <[email protected]>: May 13 11:03AM +0100 Plus, the fan wasn’t kicking in when it should have so the temp just kept on rising. Then when it did decide to work it would bring the temp back down a bit until it decided not to work again (usually when going over a bump in the road). When I idled the engine up to temp after fitting the new wire, the fan came on when the needle was about a third to half of the way up the gauge, which from the last 2 trips I did was normal running temp. By the way, it also has a new rad, new ish heater matrix, a new water pump and new ish silicone hoses I need to check the ignition timing with my new timing gun as I only did it by ear. Chris G From: Jim Hearne Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 7:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Overheating I hope you've fixed your problem, but.... The only earth wire from the starter is the great big black one from the engine block/starter to the battery. If that had a break in it i'd also expect you to have trouble with the battery charging and the engine cutting out. Also, the fan wouldn't normally be earthed to that point, though it is a Quantum so it's possible somebody did. If you have intermittent starting issues it's probably the starter wire from the ignition switch that has the problem (Black with a Blue stripe from memory), quite possibly it's the round push on fitting on the end if it's original or a crimp connector if not. The stud or tab on the starter is plated steel and rusts creating an intermittent connection. Also, 17 amp wire isn't really enough for the fan circuit, the fan is fused with a 20 amp fuse. I would use 27 to 30 amp (3mm squared) wire for the fan circuit The fan should only be coming on in slow moving or stationary traffic, if it's overheating while moving it's something else. Sorry, Jim On 12/05/2016 16:12, Chris wrote: My 1.6 saloon has been plagued by overheating problems for nearly a year. The Thermostat was playing up – so I changed it. The Fan switch was intermittent – see above. The Head gasket blew – bugger.....see above. The Fan switch plug disintegrated – ditto. The Fan was notchy – you get the idea.......... After all that it STILL overheated alot. Until I had a thought........ The Earth wire from the starter has a break in it (I know this), so that sometimes when I turn the key nothing happens and I have to pop the bonnet and wiggle the wire a bit, then try again. The Fans Earth connects to the same wire......Hmmm ‘If the Earth wire is dodgy between the Fan and the Battery, that would explain alot’ I now have a New 17 amp wire running from the Fan earth to the battery. Yesterday, for the first time in a long time, it Didn’t overheat. In fact, the needle didn’t even get halfway up the gauge! I’m currently touching every piece of wood in the house, hoping that I have now Finally fixed it........ Chris G No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6201 / Virus Database: 4568/12210 - Release Date: 05/11/16 -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. 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To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. robert greig <[email protected]>: May 13 01:26PM Well done. I wound not of thought about the wiring. Robert Greig On Friday, 13 May 2016, 12:03, Chris <[email protected]> wrote: Plus, the fan wasn’t kicking in when it should have so the temp just kept on rising. Then when it did decide to work it would bring the temp back down a bit until it decided not to work again (usually when going over a bump in the road). When I idled the engine up to temp after fitting the new wire, the fan came on when the needle was about a third to half of the way up the gauge, which from the last 2 trips I did was normal running temp. By the way, it also has a new rad, new ish heater matrix, a new water pump and new ish silicone hosesI need to check the ignition timing with my new timing gun as I only did it by ear. Chris G From: Jim Hearne Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 7:12 PMTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Overheating I hope you've fixed your problem, but.... The only earth wire from the starter is the great big black one from the engine block/starter to the battery. If that had a break in it i'd also expect you to have trouble with the battery charging and the engine cutting out. Also, the fan wouldn't normally be earthed to that point, though it is a Quantum so it's possible somebody did. If you have intermittent starting issues it's probably the starter wire from the ignition switch that has the problem (Black with a Blue stripe from memory), quite possibly it's the round push on fitting on the end if it's original or a crimp connector if not. The stud or tab on the starter is plated steel and rusts creating an intermittent connection. Also, 17 amp wire isn't really enough for the fan circuit, the fan is fused with a 20 amp fuse. I would use 27 to 30 amp (3mm squared) wire for the fan circuit The fan should only be coming on in slow moving or stationary traffic, if it's overheating while moving it's something else. Sorry, Jim On 12/05/2016 16:12, Chris wrote: My 1.6 saloon has been plagued by overheating problems for nearly a year. The Thermostat was playing up – so I changed it. The Fan switch was intermittent – see above. The Head gasket blew – bugger.....see above. The Fan switch plug disintegrated – ditto. The Fan was notchy – you get the idea.......... After all that it STILL overheated alot. Until I had a thought........ The Earth wire from the starter has a break in it (I know this), so that sometimes when I turn the key nothing happens and I have to pop the bonnet and wiggle the wire a bit, then try again. The Fans Earth connects to the same wire......Hmmm ‘If the Earth wire is dodgy between the Fan and the Battery, that would explain alot’ I now have a New 17 amp wire running from the Fan earth to the battery. Yesterday, for the first time in a long time, it Didn’t overheat. In fact, the needle didn’t even get halfway up the gauge! I’m currently touching every piece of wood in the house, hoping that I have now Finally fixed it........ Chris G No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6201 / Virus Database: 4568/12210 - Release Date: 05/11/16-- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Quantum Owners Group" group. 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