Chris, I don't know what the state of completeness is at the moment, but are you able to put a piece of wood between the clutch pedal and seat frame in order to fully depress the pedal (or easier still, use an assistant)? if the release arm/lever (whatever we wish to call it) where the cable connects has no more room for movement then that eliminates the quadrant, pedal or cable as being culpable. Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2018 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem
Andy Responses below. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of andyheaton64 Sent: 03 September 2018 23:11 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Just trawling my memory bank as Q001 is a prototype. Is there any remarks I have written in the build manual from Lady Q about mods to the pedal box? [CF] Nothing in Lady Q’s build manual Does there happen to be any history that Rob at qoc can put his hands on or do you have a copy of the file ? [CF] There was nothing in the Quantum file about the build, only sales invoices for the car and parts supplied to various owners. Where pressure has been put on the clutch, the Fulcrum arm to the gearbox release bearing isn't fractured is it? [CF] Didn’t look like it, but I cannot check unless I take the engine out again and split the gearbox off which is looking increasingly likely. I am just wondering whether the pedal box needs moving away from the bulk head to give more clearance? Or would that have the opposite effect ? [CF] I tried lengthening the cable sheath by adding a jubilee clip at the gearbox end. It made no difference as the clutch pawl still didn’t engage with the quadrant. Does the gear linkage need adjusting ? [CF] I don’t think so as I can select any gear with the engine off and can get in to 3rd, 4th and 5th gears with the engine running, but the clutch is dragging so I get a sort of ‘automatic gearbox creep’ Did both clutches look the same ? [CF] Yes. I will trawl through the history files and see if I can find any info for you Chris [CF] Thanks P.s I can pop over Sunday afternoon when i finish work if your about ? [CF] That would be very much appreciated. Regards Andy Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group <[email protected]> Date: 03/09/2018 22:27 (GMT+00:00) To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I bought/fitted a complete 3 part Valeo clutch kit. I have to admit I am close to taking thee engine/gearbox out again to investigate further. I may refit the old clutch kit to see if there is similar free movement. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 03 September 2018 22:11 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem That's a good question, that I don't know the answer to as I've got the pedal but haven't got around to fitting it! Did you buy your cluitch as a complete kit? It could be a mismatch on parts as Jim has alluded to. My clutch has a disengagement problem (having worked ok for some 20k miles) - I suspect the the 'fingers' on the clutch plate have lost their strength. We had the same problem 20 years ago on Ford Escort, and replacing the complete clutch cured it. We also had the same problem on a Fiat Grande Punto we bought from new, after only 8k milesand it was replaced under warranty. Other clutches have lasted in excess of 100k miles. Anyway, on my Q I replaced the quadrant with a larger (55mm?) diameter one and then a new cable - I then looked at what was happening at the clutch lever end, and it became clear the quadrant or cable couldn't be the issue because when the pedal was fully depressed the clutch arm was only about 2mm from hitting the gearbox casing. I'll have to get around to changing the clutch, but must get the body painting finished (weather permitting). Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 8:15 PM Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Chris. After Jim’s post I removed a layer of carpet and some sound deadening material from behind the clutch pedal. That made no difference. So I managed to get the pedal box out tonight and the quadrant works fine on the bench, but wasn’t in the car. Is it a white 50mm quadrant part number 88AB7L353AA made in 1995 so someone changed it out well after the car was built. Sill cannot understand why it won’t work now. Martin This is an interesting thought, does the manual adjust pedal need a specific quadrant? Regards Chris From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan and Martin Scott Sent: 03 September 2018 16:28 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Hi Chris, The complete clutch kit I used was part FINIS #5024280 It is possible to use a manual adjust clutch off an Escort part #1029012 Martin Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: chris.quant via Quantum Owners Group To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem I’m pretty sure the recommended quadrant colour was white. Chris G From: 'Chris Fairlie' via Quantum Owners Group Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 9:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Thanks Jim Just had a look and there was a flattened vertical lin in the carpet behind the pedal, I removed the carpet and sound deadening behind it. I managed to lift the pedal and pull the cable out fully, but cannot get the pawl to engage with the quadrant. Looks like I need to take the pedal box out to investigate further. Wasn’t there a recommendation to replace the Fiesta quadrant with a different one, perhaps Escort. I think there was a specific coloured Ford item, but I can’t remember the details. Chris From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Hearne Sent: 02 September 2018 21:11 To: Quantum Owners Group <[email protected]> Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: Help needed with a 2+2 clutch problem Did you reset the ratchet on the quadrant after you fitted the new clutch ? Lift the pedal up against it's stop with a bit of wood or a second person (this releases the ratchet) and then pull the clutch cable inner out as far as it will go in the engine bay. Release the pedal and then press it a few times, you should hear the ratchet reset. You can't mix low lift and normal lift clutch parts but since you replaced as a set it should be ok. I remember an issue with clutch ratchet not working correctly if you had too much carpet behind the pedal which meant it couldn't be pressed down far enough for the ratchet to be triggered. Jim On Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+1, Chris Fairlie wrote: I thought I had an issue with my 2+2 clutch as the bite point was rather high and it would start to slip as soon as I started to press the clutch pedal. I bit the bullet and took the engine out only to fine the clutch plate wasn’t very worn, but it looks like someone has been riding the clutch as the splines are badly scored by the thrust bearing and some blueing. Not sure it is relevant, but the old clutch was a Motorcraft unit with the friction plate marked ‘Low Lift’ and a white quadrant adjuster fitted. I fitted brand new 3 part Valeo clutch kit hoping this would solve my issues. Wrong! 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