That sounds like a very handy bonus, actually. And there may be other
reasons of convenience as well. Syphon looks very useful from my own
unpracticed perspective.

It should be understood though that CamTwist does indeed need to
actually have the quartz compositions in it's own default Effects
folder before they can be selected to be loaded. There is also an
alternate location that can be used if it's desired to keep custom
compositions separated from the default CamTwist effects, but it has
to be one or the other ... CamTwist can't directly load externally
located quartz compositions. Syphon (or a screen grab) would have to
be used in that circumstance. Just to be clear in that regard.

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:03 AM, George Toledo <gtole...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It sounds like the need to use Syphon for this is pretty minimal, probably 
> mostly up to personal preference, if cam twist can load consumer patches fine.
>
> If someone wants to manipulate the connections of the comp on the fly in the 
> QC Editor while feeding camtwist, I guess that would be the main bonus.
>
> One could probably do that with Camtwist while using QCEditCompositions 
> preference; double click the loaded composition in the list, it will spawn an 
> editor. Untuck the tabs on the side, and you have a patch list; it's 
> basically a Tiger Era looking editor system that is quite handy. I do this 
> with Quicklook/QCEditCompositions quite a bit, just while I'm browsing 
> through stuff in Finder.
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Lee Grosbauer wrote:
>
>> Sounds reasonable, George. In regards only to CamTwist, it's probably
>> worth observing that the formal image filter protocol isn't mandatory;
>> consumer patches can be at root in compositions used in CamTwist. The
>> primary reason for formatting a composition to resemble an image
>> filter, in CamTwist, is so it can be stacked amongst other image
>> filters and be a contributor to the image filter chain without
>> completely over-riding any filters which are stacked below it.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:33 AM, George Toledo <gtole...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So, it sounds like one could attach the output of the syphon client to the 
>>> image splitter that gets published "out" of the qtz image filter type 
>>> protocol.
>>>
>>> Then, in QC or some other app, you'd run the composition with a Syphon 
>>> Server at the top layer, and use "OpenGL Scene" as the source. This would 
>>> allow one to get around stuffing Consumer patches in a Render In Image 
>>> patch to make a bunch of consumers be able to "conform" to the image filter 
>>> protocol.  You'd also be able to run the composition with MSAA if it's 
>>> enabled in some host, while having CamTwist load the composition with the 
>>> Syphon client.
>>>
>>> Though, if everything is in a render in image patch anyway for some reason, 
>>> or was just a legit Image Filter (no RII/consumers involved), it likely 
>>> makes sense to just load the composition straight into CamTwist rather than 
>>> use the image in on Syphon and share it with CamTwist.  It would be a more 
>>> direct route.
>>>
>>> -gt
>>>
>>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Lee Grosbauer wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not yet caught up on Syphon or it's use in CamTwist, hopefully
>>>> Achim could respond more accurately, but the way in which CamTwist
>>>> otherwise integrates Quartz Compositions is to host them formatted as
>>>> image filters or variations thereof. I'm suspecting that Syphon would
>>>> therefore be similarly formatted and hosted accordingly? Frankly, I
>>>> was following this thread precisely in hopes of getting some
>>>> clarification in that regard. heh. :-)
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 8:54 AM, George Toledo <gtole...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> How is it that Syphon works into this setup? I thought CamTwist can load 
>>>>> and run qtz's already. Does it seem better for framerate to stream the 
>>>>> output of a running composition to a qtz running in CamTwist with syphon 
>>>>> as a "listener"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 5, 2012, at 4:24 AM, Achim Breidenbach wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> since it is very hard to implement this virtual camera, we decided to 
>>>>>> recommend using CamTwist in order to stream content for BoinxTV at this 
>>>>>> time. It turns out, that in combination with Syphon and SoundFlower this 
>>>>>> works very well for our customers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Achim Breidenbach
>>>>>> Boinx Software

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