On Sunday, 16 October 2016 13:21:21 UTC+11, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O) wrote:
> > On Friday, 14 October 2016 00:47:44 UTC+11, Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
> > >
> > > Next question...
> > >
> > > Will Qubes work without SystemD?
> > > Will it run if it's built on a system that has no SystemD?
> > systemd (not SystemD) is integral to the operation of Qubes OS,
> > especially on dom0 and ServiceVMs. The way that boot-up events are
> > ordered relies on the dependency and ordering engine of systemd,
> > as well
> > as other features of it. You are not going to have a good time
> > removing
> > the hard dependency on systemd.
> > Well won't it be FUN when THAT changes?
> > Systemd is on it's way out.. It's one of the most hated things...
> You mean "it's one of the things *I* hate the most".
Me and millions of others...
> > and I'm going to build Qubes without it.
> Best of luck.
> > That way, it's not like I'm using Windows any more, but actually using
> > Linux again.
> Ah, yes, the good old "we finally got an Apple launchd style init system
> on Linux, it's like we're all using Microsoft Windows now!" non-argument.
Apple is just as bad as Microsoft.
> > Systemd doesn't really do that much differently, other than being a
> > central point that is only a point of vulnerability and failure for
> > the system.
> Which vulnerabilities and failures? Unpatched CVEs please. Thanks.
SystemD gets hit, the whole system becomes vulnerable because they aren't
all separate any more.
> > I just want to remove this MAJOR security hole.
> Which hole? Time after time systemd haters have failed to prove this
> contention of theirs. Allegations and allegations, nothing concrete.
Everything goes back to one point. not good.
> > And I will, because it can be easily done.
> I will be happy to see you succeed. I think you will fail miserably,
> but if you succeed, more power to you.
You can think what you want, but I know I will succeed, because I think
positively, which is why I'm so good.
> > Then I just have to build qubes on it and alter things to not use
> > systemd. Piece of cake.
> Looking forward to seeing your GONEME clone of Qubes OS.
It will still be QubesOS, just without SystemD. Won't be a clone at all.
Just a different Dom0 and Guests.
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