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On 2017-03-19 16:11, [email protected] wrote:
>>   [Please don't top-post.]
> 
> i dunno if this comment to me , but at any rate i dunno how to not top-post , 
> this is how my email reply to all working.
> 

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> well regarding this issue:- 
> 
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1568
> 
> why dont we install the additional templates from the internet after the 
> installation of Qubes OS ? 
> 
> e.g:- 
> 
> "Qubes os iso has only the essential things to install Qubes. now when the 
> installation finish/complete we show a screen asking the user would he like 
> to install:- 
> 
> - fedora (which is going to be the full version)
> - debian 
> - whonix
> - xxx
> 
> if so please connect your device to the internet if its not already 
> connected."
> 
> and by this we dont need to put the distros inside the iso image, instead it 
> will be downloaded over the internet after the installation of Qubes finish. 
> 
> and to this method has advantages:- 
> 
> - iso dvd going to fit Qubes OS no matters how many distros it supports 
> 
> - from security point view we gonna let Qubes to be installed first even 
> without the need to the internet connection (which is safer) , then after 
> everything finished we show the last page asking to install the flavored OS
> 
> - any security bug affecting any additional distro will not be a problem 
> because he will install the latest updated distro through the internet. 
> whereas this is a problematic with the iso image and i think everyone know 
> this critical security bug:- 
> 
> * https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2016/12/19/qsb-28
> * https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2520
> 
> - size of Qubes OS much lighter to download
> 
> what do u think ?
> 

Previously suggested:

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1568#issuecomment-209165577

Previously discussed:

https://groups.google.com/d/topic/qubes-users/0FMM97IEaps/discussion

IIRC, Marek said somewhere (can't find it) that he didn't want to do a 
net-based install.

> 
> [Please don't top-post.]
> 
> On 2017-03-19 07:23, > [email protected]>  wrote:
>>>> it will be the same as u r suggestion to the user to install debian and 
>>>> whonix, it should be suggested to him as well fedora full version.
>>>>
>>>> so by that the default situation is:-
>>>>
>>>> - Dom0
>>>> - fedora-minimal with only essential things installed to run Qubes OS
>>>> - sys-net
>>>> - sys-firewall
>>>>
>>>> additional installation OS:-
>>>>
>>>> - fedora
>>>> - debian
>>>> - whonix
>>>>
> 
> The main reason we don't include all the TemplatVMs in the installer is
> because then the installer would be too big to fit on a single-layer DVD:
> 
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/1568
> 
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 5:43 AM,  <> >>> [email protected]>>> > > 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> hi there,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i was wondering why fedora-minimal is not the default template for Qubes
>>>>>> instead of fedora all apps installed (full version) ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> using minimal over full has advantages:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> An operating system should be useful by default. We are not arch or
>>>>> slackware or gentoo, our users expect to be able to get work done
>>>>> without first opening a terminal and typing:
>>>>>   sudo dnf install ${basic stuff that everybody will always install 
>>>>> anyway}.
>>>>>
>>>>> ... and then wondering why they need to do it each time they reboot,
>>>>> because they don't yet understand how templates work.
>>>>>
> 
> I agree.
> 

- -- 
Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org
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