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On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:02:12AM -0800, Vít Šesták wrote:
> Well, will there be a way to enter the rescue mode by entering a command, or 
> the user will have to handle all the stuff (LUKS, LVM, mount and chroot) 
> manually?

Yes, it is possible also from installation mode:

1. Switch to tty2
2. killall -9 anaconda
3. anaconda --rescue

> For my purposes, I don't care much (i.e., I can handle all of those 
> manually), but I can't imagine giving such advice to a user asking in mailing 
> list. The user will either be able to do this manually or I will not be able 
> to give them an advice.
> 
> Also, Memtest86+ is probably going to be missing for UEFI without Grub (as 
> Memtest86+ is 16-bit, so UEFI cannot start it directly), but this is probably 
> not such essential feature ☺. And even in Q3.2, one has to switch to legacy 
> mode for Memtest86+.
> 
> On the size issues: As far as I read it well, this has been solved for Qubes 
> 4-rc4, but this issue might arise again later. I think that within first run, 
> user can be prompted for next steps like dom0 update, using Tor by default, 
> templates update and installation of additional templates. This could allow 
> to exclude debian and whonix-ws templates to be excluded from the install 
> image without harming user experience. And it can be even useful for users, 
> because this can encourage updates after installation is finished.

This may be problematic for multiple reasons:
 - some users may not have fast internet connection available at
   installation time; downloading one file (ISO) over another
   connection, somewhere else, asking a friend for that etc is much
   easier to organize than attaching your machine there
 - downloading templates over tor takes a long time... and some may
   prefer to not do it over clearnet on own connection (see point above)

But we can think about it all later...

> I see this approach is too late for Qubes4-rc1, but it could be useful for 
> some future release.

Yes, definitely.

- -- 
Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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