On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 5:21:53 PM UTC-5, catacombs wrote:
>
> Fresh install of Qubes 4.1 on Lenovo X230 with 16 GB  RAM, 500GB Samsung 
> SSD.
>
> Runs with original Qubes 4.03.  After Qubes 4.1, on the upper right hand 
> side of screen.  I see my account name, and to the left a flickering of 
> something that starts and then goes away.  The entire top twitches left to 
> right every second or two.  Pretty annoying
>
> The first solid icon, on the left, is the ClipBoard.  Guessing it is 
> either the Q for Qubes Manager or the Update Icon.  Not a biggie.  
>
> I tried Qubes 4.1 as I had issues trying to upgrade Qubes 4.03.  I got 
> Fedora 31 to download and install.  I had and error message when I started 
> the Software Manager I had something can not find repository, or that is 
> how I interpreted it.  
>
> I thought I might get it to clear by running the scripts in terminal dom0 
> that are available for installing Fedora 31 in a different way.  
>
> I appreciate that the smart people who made copying into dom0 difficult.  
> It is the correct security procedure.  I should admit I appreciate it.  
>
> Thought might be useful if the next time you send out a version of Qubes, 
> that you left in Dom0 a note file of the different scripts that will be 
> useful about the time of initial install.  Saves a newbie a lot of time 
> searching for information and then trying to get it to work.
>
> As I do not have at home internet, or a place to plug an ethernet cable 
> in, I find it is easier to download an entire Iso of Qubes, and start 
> over.  I have not used Qubes long enough to have much in the way of data 
> files to lose.   However, my approach emphasizes to me how important it is 
> to me to do proper backups of my data.  Easier to recover from problems, 
> upgrade.  
>
> Which makes me wonder how some view backups with Qubes.  Generally it has 
> been my experience with computers that any sort of auto backup meant to 
> make backups easy, tend to find unique and creative ways to fail just when 
> one needs them.   I imagine that you folks have a lot more understanding of 
> this than I do.  I plan on simply copying from a Qube, like say work, or 
> personal, vault into an Veracrypt container on an USB drive.  Multiple 
> drives on multiple days, and times.  I don't expect you guys to warn me of 
> problems of it involves decrypting on the laptop side, and re-encrypting to 
> the USB drive. I will test through and discover what recipe works.   I did 
> think it seems to be an issue for some now, in that some on the Users forum 
> have problems getting data off a previously used drive.  Maybe you fellows 
> might think and find an easy option for those who are less experienced, 
> knowledgeable, and have less patience trying to trick a computer into doing 
> what I think it should do.  The way I think it should do it.
>
> I have been told that for an experienced user, the upgrades are easier.  
>

I saw that there was another version for Qubes 4.1   I had installed 
Qubes-4.1-20200526-x86_64

This morning I downloaded and installed Qubes-4.1-20200614-x86_64

I am guessing the differentiation in numbers between these two refer to 
dates of release.  
Flickering on upper right of screen is gone.  I have a Q.  I do not have an 
Icon for update.  Else the page is stable in appearance.  I have not used 
this new install yet.  

I downloaded this new version 5.4 GB  at Mcds, on an open public WiFi at 
Mcds (worse using Windows 10)  in about fifteen minutes, with a Skylake 
processor laptop.  On Friday I spent over three hours downloading Fedora 
31, and the Whonix updates at the public library on my X230 using Whonix.  

Yes, I am aware this is not the best way to get a trustworthy install.   
But this is not a finished Qubes 4.1 to trust yet.   The check process made 
available on the first page of the ISO runs quite fast on my X230.  less 
than five minutes.  

>
> Thank you for  your efforts.  I realize that for every hour I spend trying 
> to install Software, you fellows have probably spent several thousand 
> hours.  I hope this Post was clear, even if too wordy.
>

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