[A key expiration 
issue](https://forums.whonix.org/t/expkeysig-error-gpg-key-whonix/22721) is 
currently effectively preventing updating Whonix qubes in Qubes 4.2 and [it 
requires manual intervention](https://www.kicksecure.com/wiki/EXPKEYSIG) in 
order to be fixed. This is a problem in itself that is probably affecting a 
significant number of users who have not yet migrated to 4.3. But the problem 
is exacerbated because the Qubes inplace upgrade too cannot finish "STAGE 1" if 
a qube fails to update.

This results in a potential problem for users: the current in-place upgrade 
instructions will fail on default installations and the users will never be 
able to pass STAGE 1. One can certainly work around it by skipping that stage 
(and risking missing something in the templates) OR one can go through the 
trouble of finding manually what the problem with Whonix is and how to fix it.

Even though this is a problem with Whonix, I'd argue that Qubes could give some 
help here given that whonix is installed by default. Would it be possible to 
help users work around this issue, at least for the inplace upgrade?

Here are some ideas:

- At the end of STAGE 1 giving the user an option to continue with some failed 
updates (at their own risks)
- Add a step to STAGE 1 just before qubes-vm-update that (in case Whonix 
templates) exist "qvm-runs" the necessary workaround indempotently (to 
accommodate already-fixed systems)

Best regards,
deeplow

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