Thank you for the detailed response. I am confused by your earlier welcoming of reasoned arguments for changes vs. your total rejection of any changes and any reasoning.
> I think it will lead to confusion and an increased number of support > calls. That rather sounds like "I am afraid I will have more work" than "the suggested change creates a worse product". I have never read that the goal of minimal templates is keeping a low support call number. > You know that users adopt the minimal templates, when they are > frankly unfit, despite best warnings: with stripped down templates, > the situation would be worse. If someone refuses to read the warning, they won't read it better with more packages in template. Prove me wrong. > To repeat myself, I see no problem in your guide in the Forum. The > issue here is whether we should provide such templates as part of > official release. I do not think so, and I think it would be a > mistake for the project to do this. If you are afraid you will have too much work to help people on the forum, that can be easily solved with simple examples in docs, e.g. how to create a minimal sys-* qubes. We have done this in guides e.g. for DNSCrypt and people actually liked it. > Using a stock netinst iso, at the end of the install but BEFORE > tasksel, users are told "Only the Core of the system is installed". > This comprises some 190 Packages. > Base includes 67 Packages. I don't know where to find a list of those (without having to install an ISO). In any case, the minimal template currently contains more than 300 packages. > [...] but I see on GitHub proposals to remove editors and so on. > That is what I object to. Well, you are in a position to object to anything but having editorS is not minimalism. > With the greatest respect you have not done this. You have identified > packages that *can* be removed, but you have not given reasons for > their removal. The reasons are the same as the reasons for having minimal templates in the first place. I referred to the docs and to "Reduce Debian" on GitHub. There is also the note about "as minimal as possible" here which the current minimal template is not. You are asking me to explain why 3 text editors and 42 packages should be removed. Please explain why a minimal system needs 3 text editors, and why a non-networked system needs networking packages. I highly doubt the Debian team made their core-system choices considering a Qubes environment, so conforming to those choices as an essential principle may be worth reconsideration. /I rest my case -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-devel/20260222193254.1160bdb8%40localhost.
