On Wednesday, 29 March 2017 09:54:30 UTC+11, Unman  wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 08:32:27PM -0700, Drew White wrote:
> > Just a thought for the future builder. :}
> > 
> > Is anyone by chance going to some day update the Qubes Builder details so 
> > that they actually make sense?
> > 
> > Example, it doesn't say how to build a specific version or a specific 
> > variant of qubes.
> > 
> > 
> > "The build system creates build environments in chroots and so no other 
> > packages are needed on the host. "
> > What does this mean?
> > Does this mean that it doesn't use the version of Unix that you want and 
> > have put the builder under?
> > 
> > 
> > Hope to see it updated to make sense someday with all those things that are 
> > unanswered, answered.
> > 
> 
> Hello Drew
> 
> There are quite a few pages about the build process, as well as more
> information in the qubes-builder/doc directory. Also, there are a number
> of config files in example-configs. Finally, if you run ./setup in the
> builder directory you can choose the flavour you want - also , this
> will generate quite detailed builder.conf which should make the options a
> little clearer.
> 
> Finally, you are quite right. The build process creates chroots for the
> distribution you are building. So if you select Jessie, then a
> chroot-jessie will be setup and the actual build will take place in that
> chroot.
> 
> cheers
> 
> unman

Heya Unman,

That's what I thought happened by the way everything was explained, however 
that isn't really that good.

Because what if the flavour isn't in the list?

What do I do then?

How do I build it onto an operating system that isn't in the list at all?
Do I need to customise the build script until the build script works?

There isn't anything in the build docs or files or anything that tells me what 
I'm trying to find out, nor anything that I have asked about certain things in 
the past.

So I ask every now and again things to see if things have progressed and been 
able to get things worked out and fixed or not so that the instructions are 
there for those that do custom build, not just a generic build according to 
what qubes says it requires.

I have a system, I want Qubes to be built into it, it has XEN.

I don't want Jessie or anything, I just want the files downloaded, built, and 
installed correctly.

It's source code, so it should just be easy enough to do if the instructions 
were there as to what was required for each part of qubes, what is needed to be 
able to install each, what X is required, the list of details for everything, 
not just a little piece of information that tells you next to nothing.

It's what I've been after for a long time now.

I try an uninstall Qubes from a guest, and it tells me it's going to uninstall 
half the system, thus the system would then stop working. Nothing I can do 
about that, I don't know what is required for what..

I try and uninstall one thing, and it says it has to uninstall everything.

Nothing there tells me anything about it.


If the documentation had everything in it, even the things that the creators of 
Qubes don't know since they don't fully know what Qubes requires, as they said 
in the past, then I wouldn't have to ask these details. I wouldn't have to try 
to find out from users what the creators/developers can't tell me.

All I ever get told is go to the documentation.

If the info was n the documentation, I wouldn't have to ask.

I go to the docs first, I search this google forum first, I search the 
developers forum too.. I search on GitHub for the bug list.. (Which doesn't 
contain the bugs that have been reported and in Qubes since version 2 that are 
still in 3 and most likely 4.

I'm just trying to get the details I need to know what I need in the system so 
that I can install them and then get it all done properly and working.

....

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