On 06/15/2017 01:53 PM, Zrubi wrote:
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> On 06/15/2017 06:34 PM, Reg Tiangha wrote:
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>> Curious:  For those apps that exhibit that behavior, are they
>> running on Debian 9 or Fedora 25 templates?
> Nope.
> Fedora 24 mainly, and Debian 8
> The later is only for sys-net, so all my taskbar icons coming from a
> F24 based template.
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Thanks. I don't really use Fedora, but I'll set up a test VM once my
laptop is finished converting this Debian 8 template to 9. Can you list
some apps that this happens with so I can test across a variety of
templates? I'm still leaning towards an X issue, but maybe it's always
been there since Fedora 24, even under kernel 4.9. But I would assume if
that was the case, then more people would have spoken up by now.
>> Since it works fine in Debian 8 (I haven't tested much with any 
>> Fedoras), I'm wondering if it's less a kernel issue and more of an
>> issue with newer X or how Qubes integrates with newer X (but I
>> guess if it works properly on 4.4, it may be a combination of the
>> three; don't know how to fix it though).
> Maybe it is a know issue, but:
> online netvm change on a disposable VM is also broken on the latest
> 4.9 VM kernel. (Qubes Manager shows it is changed, but not working in
> practice)
>
I've *never* ever had this work for me (although it might have worked
once in R3.0 or something old like that); I've always had to shut down
the Disp VM first, alter the dvm template, and then start up a new one
in order to change NetVMs.

>> I can't play around with this until later today, but in the
>> meantime, what graphics hardware are you running, Zrubi? And which
>> version of 4.4 are you running where things work fine? And finally
>> if you can, if it's an Intel card, can you try booting with this
>> kernel option to see if it makes a difference?
>>
>> i915.preliminary_hw_support=0
> I believe this setting will not affect this chipset. But will try if I
> have a chance. (This is my only Qubes Laptop atm and using it for
> production)
>
> HW details:
>
> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-5300U CPU @ 2.30GHz
> Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Host Bridge -OPI [8086:1604] (rev 09)
> Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 [8086:1616] (rev 09) (prog-if 00
>
> SW versions:
> Qubes 3.2
> xen: 4.6.5
> kernel: 4.4.62-12
>
It might; if you could try it in both dom0 and vm (and maybe different
combinations if you have the time), that'd be useful to help rule things
out. It's toggled on by default to work around this:

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=intel-skl-prelim-support

but maybe it's no longer an issue with 4.9.



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