On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 10:25:23 PM UTC-4, cooloutac wrote:
> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 9:24:57 PM UTC-4, pixel fairy wrote:
> > On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 6:15:58 PM UTC-7, Unman wrote:
> > 
> > > intended to also handle not-mouse devices. Perhaps it could be done by
> > > monitoring every insertion? I dont know.
> > 
> > filter out anything that is not an HID mouse event packet. as i understand 
> > it, the usb device is attached over a userspace socket so sys-usb is 
> > constantly sending the usb data to the target. this is where said data can 
> > be filtered. 
> > 
> > in my faded memory (qubes 3.2 until last november), connecting mice and 
> > keyboards were recognized as such in the pop-up, and keyboards with built 
> > in pointing devices would have separate pop ups for those.
> 
> I think just at least separating them from dom0 is a step up.  In other words 
> don't allow any usb device to dom0.  whether or not they can infect the vm or 
> other devices is another story.
> 
> I tried once to have two sys-usb's and swap the same controller but 
> apparenlty it doesn't work or I might have to disable a security feature for 
> it to work so I said why bother.  I consider anything I plug a usb device 
> into untrusted anyways.
> 
> Which brings us to the good point you bought, many of us have thought about 
> before,  which is the safest kb's and mice to use?   I guess the simplest and 
> most legacy like?    is pci>usb or does it matter at all?  I really have no 
> idea and would like to know myself.
> 
> But one things for sure I do consider storage devices,  phones and tablets 
> way more insecure then keyboards and mice.   But when I get to that point I 
> soon assume my other hardware is probably way more likely infected then my 
> kb. And then I just start to wonder why bother,  do I have to buy all new 
> electronics hardware for my home top to bottom every year.  Is security only 
> for rich people?
> 
> anyone know whats the safest model kb's to use?

Actually I think if really paranoid might have to go buy it off the shelf in 
person in the store.

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