On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 11:59:19 AM UTC-4, yura...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 3:50:18 PM UTC, cooloutac wrote: > > On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 11:31:27 AM UTC-4, PR wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > I think it makes sense to concentrate more on what we (different user > > > types/groups) would like to see, instead of having some kind of 'flame > > > war' GUI vs. Terminal. > > > > > > > > > The good thing was always that you can built very complicated workflows > > > using the terminal/bash scrips make life easier and that you can have a > > > GUI for 80% of the standard tasks for "normal users", which are more > > > interested in using their computer as a tool instead of tweaking around. > > > > > > > > > We can and should have both: > > > 1) API/terminal commands for 'advanced users' and > > > 2) a simple GUI for normal users who just want to use a PC that protects > > > their privacy somewhat better than their current Windows 10 Laptop. > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 05.08.2017 5:02 nachm. schrieb "cooloutac" <raah...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > > The forever problem of linux, is the self fulfilling prophecies from > > > people who want to feel superior over others. > > > > > > > > > > > > Disagree, I think that those people are just faster using the terminal. > > > And those users are technically skilled and have at least basic knowledge > > > about an operating system. > > > > > > > > > I agree with cooloutac that Qubes has a benefit if it can be used for > > > regular tasks without touching the terminal. > > > Even when using Windows lots of people use Laptops that have been setup > > > by experienced users and then handover to them. > > > They don't bother with tweaking the system, so simplifying the use of > > > Qubes would help to get those users on board. > > > > > > > > > BUT: > > > Important point is that additional security/privacy has most time a price > > > that it add a small layer of complexity/less usability for the user. > > > But Qubes is doing a great job to reduce this overhead. > > > > > > > > > As far as I have understand the Qubes team statement, it seems that the > > > concentrate more on the Qubes Core stuff and having the API/Terminal > > > commands, someone can still write a GUI for Qubes like Qubes Manager. > > > > > > > > > Honestly I don't understand why it is that hard to Port Qubes Manager > > > over to Qubes 4, so that the user can choose: > > > > > > > > > - terminal > > > - old Qubes manager with maybe a reduced feature set > > > - new Qubes widgets > > > - ... ? > > > > > > > > > This topic reminds me about the vi vs. emacs discussions. What the heck? > > > I use both ;-) > > > Or the new "Ribbon Bar" from Microsoft which was also not that accepted > > > in the beginning. > > > > > > > > > - PhR > > > > there is no versus anything, noone is asking to get rid of the terminal? > > > > This is nothing like vi vs emac discussions. what? > > hmm, I think he was referring to the earlier posts far up above, and not you > specifically. > But he makes a good point in that matter, both are important if we want to > find motivation and resources to make systems that not only reach the > advanced users, but also reaching the everyday users. > One cannot afford not to take the other seriously, both need each others in > modern PC systems, especially if we want to survive the next big thing, the > next platform coming after smartphones, which is partially already happening > right now. There won't be a laptop, desktop or tablet for Linux to live on, > if we don't take emerging technologies seriously. The time to stand together > is now, and making whole systems that take in both the advanced and everyday > users, would be a game changer.
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