On 09/04/2017 01:42 PM, Finsh wrote:

Wy not simply apply ME_cleaner? I doesnt remove all of the ME functions, but as 
far as ive understood it will wipe out the official Intel firmware, leaving 
only a stub of it to bring up the (Sandybridge) CPU before shutting down the ME.
It is still active, if you actually shut it off or somehow removed the chip physically the system would cease to function as ME is integral to a variety of things so says intel (a slick way to stop people from getting rid of it)

There is still a litany of mysterious opaque code, even after ME cleaner - and that's the stuff that you can notice - it doesn't include mask roms or undocumented EEPROM chips.

Post sandy/ivy bridge a lot less gets stripped out too, but if you're going to get ivy/sandy laptop you might as well get a Lenovo G505S and skip ME/PSP. (performance equal to sandy bridge)

With the KGPE-D16, KCMA-D8, Lenovo G505S and of course the extra high performance TALOS 2 there is no reason at all to buy a system with ME/PSP hardware rootkits - one ends up spending less money for higher performance by going with a non-owner controlled system ironically (to get TALOS 2's POWER9 performance you'd spend twice as much with intel/amd) I play modern games on my libre firmware KGPE-D16, I sacrifice absolutely nothing to be free.

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