Thank you for such a detailed reply Yuraeitha ! This was the occasion to see the laptop I specifically got to run Qubes very recently isn't listed as compatible with Qubes 4... ! It's not listed as incompatible either, just no information. But I can just try it myself when the times come.
Perhaps I should checked that out before. Anyway this was such an adventure to make it run properly for what I intended to do with it (an adventure I don't regret a single bit because it taught me some new things), that I wasn't really planning on upgrading it tomorrow... Hope to be able to use it a bit more before it becomes obsolete security-wise. On 12 November 2017 at 09:57, Yuraeitha <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 7:49:25 AM UTC, Alexandre Brutelle wrote: > > Thank you for your reply ! > > > > Do you think such upgrade to the next stable version will happen anytime > soon ? > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12 November 2017 at 00:47, Andrew David Wong <[email protected]> > wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > > > > > On 2017-11-11 13:01, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > When there will be a stable supported version of Qubes 4., and I > > > > > upgrade, will I be able to keep all my set ups and docs on each on > > > > > my VM's ? > > > > > > > > > > Or will I have to wipe it all in order to upgrade and install the > > > > > new version ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're upgrading from 3.2 to 4.0, a clean reinstallation will most > > > > likely be required (or at least highly recommended). However, if you > > > > migrate using Qubes' backup and restore tools, your data and settings > > > > within each domU will be preserved. > > > > > > > > - -- > > > > Andrew David Wong (Axon) > > > > Community Manager, Qubes OS > > > > https://www.qubes-os.org > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > iQIbBAEBCgAGBQJaB4wLAAoJENtN07w5UDAw2AMP90wKEvDpxHo+rS7WF1E5e68P > > > > HNrB3TlwGUP/vduFfanUd2b1Zgi3Q4Q+4cc/NvdmFTtSadubEUeOjZDVe9lfZCEK > > > > n8P3lu0nES5xotb0i64CW/XfJxq3K8ca+EmIcp9YtZuwWeUBnJdbmU3YwE9HdAup > > > > xEtWX+BHYv3AAJf4vA75uuwoWgDG48pLYSmjNYtyyfuxdk/cFHQPVoHMVWyIpt/o > > > > nR2tdw3QSpBLZEduzlUsa5kNYzycZoGW9svT1DF4Vsx0/U4HB/MFhWsWcGWFvVcR > > > > PCdIZUCHtxSFTlBWlXw9GQyBA8xk6cHgnObugFJlG5f+aRMQnzrFqjHwSKG708Sp > > > > wNTo9CvfQZWf85lYHChzzwwDyMJ1klTDXF+/6j5vHrfDJhb29YtA0HZNhhtC/p7l > > > > 9AcJL1ntnLfHCxXwtKyt8kvl7pJJrEyPPMkkMPyk7RERBhxIDnKmKcfU0774Ex0A > > > > CspepiQ6N4t9+nZK2i3vYsWsDnDP97yjd/vY2wPfkOKmF/iCFEzvCh06K+RClTKM > > > > 4BkbjaMrqPCNdsJvbCn+N4sujP+8ix4ufrGEBMaazMssKadC7yNK0uvZLLMj0b8g > > > > ZaOwKgPB9ixUwC5wNsT7yu6BWWGqQyzqdabOKuQi9bXmaV3GS0NTWhFRK6XT7/8m > > > > lqaVGG9R98nLL22ZxNs= > > > > =mw3w > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Alexandre Brutelle > > > > > > http://linfinigeste.com/ > > Here you go, https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/releases/4.0/schedule/ > Keep an eye out for release timetable updates here too, as you can see it > had revisions and updates in the past, some may come in the future too. You > find this link for the time tables directly below the download section on > the official website, for all Qubes releases both past, current and the > future releases to come. But currently, these are the official estimated > release days given out by the Qubes team. > > Also a warning, don't do what I did! Frankly it's a bit embarrassing, > since it's pretty obvious, but really, do not backup-restore any templates > from Qubes 3.2 to Qubes 4... This worked just fine from Qubes 3.2. to > another Qubes 3.2., but it won't work very well from Qubes 3.2. to Qubes 4, > because the Qubes tools installed inside the VM's are different in their > code between versions, and therefore not compatible (guessing from > experience and hardships, I did not read the code though). At the very > least, it gave me a lot of trouble, and it's at least partly explaining why > qvm-run and qvm-open-in-vm did not work (partly). Seemingly Fedora > templates work flawlessly now, if one does not do this mistake, but the > debian template is still troublesome for some people (note: some people, > not everyone), even if you re-install it. > > But aside from things like that, and as long as you can fall back on > backups in case something goes wrong or you can spend time to try repair, > then Qubes 4 is in my experience pretty stable now after some updates have > been released. But this is mostly the common bugs everyone experienced, the > uncommon bugs might possibly still give some people big issues, so you > still need to watch it and be careful not to loose data or time, each > hardware is unique and has its own personality, so to speak. > > Experiment with it, see if it's stable, and then make a decision whether > you feel comfortable with it or not. > > Also another warning, ff you plan to install Qubes 4 while retaining QUbes > 3.2. on the same machine through UEFI/EFI. You'll clear the EFI entry in > the motherboard boot settings. At least i did not have much luck to use > efibootmgr to restore my xen efi again, which always worked flawlessly in > Qubes 3.2. So you need to have proper backups in place, just to be safe. On > the other hand, Qubes installed through legacy BIOS boot appears not to > have such issues though. > > Also be sure you meet the minimum requirements, as Qubes 4 is much more > strict regarding having the hardware security features. Qubes 3.2. was more > lax in this regard, so even if Qubes 3.2. worked, Qubes 4 may not. 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