On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 8:11:25 PM UTC+1, Tim W wrote:
> I am sorry what is reason so many people want to get and use a riseup.net
> account outside political or some other social reason
> They had their canary down for over a year because of gag order from the feds.
> They have totally rewritten there canary statement since which was prior very
> clear and concise. Now it looks to be heavily lawyered careful play on
> words...thus its vague using words that can having wide varying meaning.
> what is omitted is any speech with the words warrant, gag order, NSL. If
> they get any of those it will NOT of itself require them activating the
> canary protocol.
> Here is their old Canary statement followed by the new one:
> riseup has not received any National Security Letters or FISA court orders,
> and we have not been subject to any gag order by a FISA court, or any other
> similar court of any government. Riseup has never placed any backdoors in our
> hardware or software and has not received any requests to do so. Riseup has
> never disclosed any user communications to any third party.
> Riseup positively confirms that the integrity of our system is sound. all our
> infrastructure is in our control, we have not been compromised or suffered a
> data breach, we have not disclosed any private encryption keys, and we have
> not been forced to modify our system to allow access or information leakage
> to a third party.
> Unfortunately we cannot use common sense to read these but they must be read
> thru the eye of a laywer I think you really see the effects of the rewritten
> From what I can tell the system is closed source. They no longer offer any
> form of encryption. I must all be done on your email client. There is no
> two factor authentication. The user name and password to get your into your
> mailbox from what I can see maybe moot as there is no info on any use of
> encryption outside users manually or thru a client using gpg. If that is
> correct then any mail not gpg encrypted is sitting in the mailbox in
> cleartext. Unless there is something like AES 256 protecting the mailbox via
> your password but then that means thru the recovery passcode system they very
> well can get back into your mailbox even with lost credentials and no reset
> alternate email address.
> For a person that plans to gpg encrypt all their emails what does this offer
> anyone over the other free email accounts. Sure your contacts are not mined
> to hell and back but in terms of email content I see no difference and
> actually lower login security.
> I was looking at the thread and it looks like around 40 people requested
> referral codes on this thread while the canary was expired. One person even
> mentioned it and it went uncommented on.
> Compare this to say protonmail its not even remotely close. As both can be
> had for free and without all the need for referrals as its targeted toward
> liberal/social/anticapital political change groups not sure the point?
> I honestly was surprised so many people on this list asking for it and where
> unphase by the fact the canary was expired and it was known they were under a
> gag order. We make a big deal about a close source binary blob for a driver
> or firmware to a nic or gpu yet a closed source email provider system with a
> triggered canary and no one misses a beat? I know the thread was off topic
> and has been running for years and why I never even read it till now for no
> other reason than I was wasting time but wow I am surprised.
excuse my tired quick math on the decades, 7 to 8 should be 5 to 6. I was
thinking back to the 40s lmao
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