On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 7:05:41 AM UTC-4, awokd wrote:
> On Fri, March 30, 2018 10:01 am, William Bormann wrote:
> >
> 
> > I'm seeing an oddity with this widget.  At random, some VMs show the
> > update indicator as continuously spinning.  It appears to show a VM
> > always starting, but qvm-ls in dom0 shows the VM as started.  In a
> > nutshell, the widget seems to be unsure of the VM's state.
> >
> > Anyone else seeing this?  Is there a workaround/fix I can try?
> 
> Yes, see https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3660. A workaround
> is to use command line or Qube Manager instead if needed.

ya but then the qubes manager is in scrambled order and you have to keep 
refreshing it.    If people just keep killing them will it corrupt data?

Sort of like a red flag to me too when thats happening.  

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