‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 3:13 PM, Stuart Perkins <perkins.stu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:14:01 +0000 > "'Modprobe' via qubes-users" qubes-users@googlegroups.com wrote: > > > ** General intro stuff, not terribly important, tl;dr as appropriate ** > > Hi, all! Qubes newbie here; I installed Qubes on my new laptop just to see > > what happens and now I'm bumbling my way along, using it and reading docs, > > trying to get a feel for how things get done. For the most part, it's kind > > of awesome, but every now and then there's something that confuses me, and > > right now the most seriously confusing thing is that packages which I > > installed have a nasty tendency to uninstall themselves, and I'm not sure > > why... > > Now a relevant bit of context is that I'm one of those nasty users who > > never does things according to the official guidelines and stuff, so I've > > made a number of tweaks to my installation to fit my habits. I'll do my > > best to keep track of what's unusual on my box and make those things clear > > up front, but I might forget something I've done, so please bear with me. > > ** Quirks about my Environment ** > > Right now, the main quirk on my box, I think, is that I really, really > > don't seem to like Fedora, and I really, really do like Arch, so I'm using > > the Arch template for most of my AppVMs. Building and installing the Arch > > template on Qubes 4 was a bumpy process (I used the instructions for Qubes > > 3.2 here, and had to improvise a fair bit as things didn't work), and I'm > > not 100% sure it went totally right, but I got to the end of the > > instructions and mostly it seems to work... > > ** My actual issue ** > > Except for the vanishing packages. So every now and then, I install a > > package into the TemplateVM (NOT the AppVM; I expect those packages to > > vanish when I reboot the AppVM, but packages in the TemplateVM should stick > > around until I remove them, yeah?) and it works and shows up correctly for > > a while, but some time later (often, I'm pretty certain, without any kind > > of reboot in the interim), the package is simply gone. I have to reinstall > > it cuz it's just not there anymore. I'm pretty darn sure this is not > > expected behavior, but maybe I'm just not understanding something. > > It seems to be more prevalent for some packages than others; for instance, > > I've had AUR builds fail because `patch` wasn't installed, so I install > > patch and try again, and it works. The automake and autoconf packages do it > > too, but less often than patch. I've installed patch several times on my > > Arch TemplateVM by now, but it keeps disappearing behind my back: > > > > > [user@archlinux ~]$ history | grep patch > > > 57 pikaur -S patch > > > 200 pikaur -S patch > > > 204 pikaur -S patch > > > 276 pikaur -S patch > > > 291 pikaur -S automake patch autoconf > > > 292 history | grep patch > > > > So that's my main confusion with Qubes right now; I'm hoping someone can > > help me understand what's going on. Am I making some dumb mistake? Thanks > > for your time! =) > > -- > > Nathan > > In Qubes, the Templates are where software is installed. If you install > software in an appVM, it will go away when you shutdown the appVM. This is to > implement a separation of software and data, and is one of the foundations of > Qubes. > > If you want software available in a template based appVM, you need to install > it in the template. You can install uncertain software in an appVM for > evaluation and not worry if it doesn't work, as it will go away when you > poweroff the appVM...but then you need to install that same software in the > Template in order to make it available in the appVM. > > Stuart Hi, Stuart, and thanks, but as I described in the second sentence of the ** My actual issue **, I am aware of this and I am talking about packages installed into the TemplateVM, NOT the AppVM. I apologize if this got lost in the mix; I confess I am a tad verbose sometimes. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/WiALhHuJXvsg7lw-n1k7dgtJfZaSXFLb-CA1tl-7hJUqgvcAcmWsW_znpgnw3G8D-uJXGfdOvN6CE9vqaV_fkJXHRZsF3Opju7RR8r6hXHA%3D%40protonmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
