On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 08:35:57PM -0800, John Smiley wrote: > On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 4:12:56 AM UTC-8, unman wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 06:31:35PM -0800, John Smiley wrote: > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 6:24:49 PM UTC-8, unman wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 06:18:43PM -0800, John Smiley wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 4:59:59 PM UTC-8, unman wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 03:42:29PM -0800, John Smiley wrote: > > > > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 3:19:16 PM UTC-8, John Smiley > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 3:02:13 PM UTC-8, > > > > > > > > 22...@tutamail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Some typos corrected and clarification added: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > > > > I'll take a shot at helping but would defer to Unman who has > > > > > > > > > helped me out a lot, both directly and indirectly on this > > > > > > > > > forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some notes: > > > > > > > > > Been using 3.2 and 4.0 only...haven't tried 4.0.1 > > > > > > > > > Not an expert but have having been using Qubes as my primary > > > > > > > > > for over a year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I loaded 4.0, however during the setup I did not add the > > > > > > > > > default whonix template(v13 I think) to my system as the > > > > > > > > > default whonix needs to be removed in order to upgrade to > > > > > > > > > whonix-14. This option is chosen when loading Qubes for the > > > > > > > > > first time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I immediately update Dom0 using a VPN connection thru my > > > > > > > > > network > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After installing Qubes 4.0, I immediately install the > > > > > > > > > whonix-14 template following these instructions: > > > > > > > > > https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Qubes/Install > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All updates going forward are done thru > > > > > > > > > sys-whonix-14-GW......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you say upgrading Firefox are you just updating Firefox > > > > > > > > > or the whole template...I don't just upgrade Firefox, I > > > > > > > > > update the whole template i.e. I update the Debian template > > > > > > > > > and the Fedora template and this updates Firefox in the > > > > > > > > > template and the appvm's associated with the templates. Make > > > > > > > > > sure you are aware of the template/appvm relationship...you > > > > > > > > > don't update the appvm(e.g. sys-whonix), you update the > > > > > > > > > template(whonix-gw) which is the source for the > > > > > > > > > appvm(sys-whonix). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other best practices I follow: > > > > > > > > > *Fresh templates seems to be the advice(vs upgrading) > > > > > > > > > *Whonix-gw template is a key template to update as all my > > > > > > > > > updates are done thru this template/appvms > > > > > > > > > * Get a VPN appvm setup as a priority > > > > > > > > > * Clone your templates and experiment on the clones, this way > > > > > > > > > you can resort back to your clean template WHEN you F%$# it > > > > > > > > > up (Not IF...you will at some point mess one up) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, hope this helps... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you @tutamail. This is more like what I was looking for. > > > > > > > > I've tried most of what you recommend, but not everything. > > > > > > > > I'll re-install 4.0 and give your suggestions a try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate the other replies as well. Sorry if I wasn't > > > > > > > > clear. I only tried 4.0.1-rc1 out of desperation. What I want > > > > > > > > is the latest production 4.0 platform. Most operating systems > > > > > > > > have a simple process by which you are informed of packages > > > > > > > > that are out of date and are offered an opportunity to upgrade > > > > > > > > them to the most recent version supported by the distributor. > > > > > > > > It would be great if Qubes had something like that. Perhaps > > > > > > > > someday it will. In the meantime, there ought to be a document > > > > > > > > that clearly explains how to go from a fresh install to the > > > > > > > > most recent Qubes-supported version of every package installed > > > > > > > > in each template and dom0. It would be even nicer if there > > > > > > > > were a nightly/weekly build of the same packages used in a > > > > > > > > fresh install, but all updated to the latest supported version > > > > > > > > so that we could simply download and install that and know that > > > > > > > > we have all of the most recent patches and upgrades. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can hear some of you now saying that if I want these things > > > > > > > then get up off my lazy ass and build them. If I weren't fully > > > > > > > (some would say overyly) employed with nothing but free time on > > > > > > > my hands, I still wouldn't do that because I have other > > > > > > > interests. I'm the consumer here. Some of you seem to forget > > > > > > > that. This is feeback coming from a customer. Treat it as such. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm also not a Linux newbie. I'm not stumbling around trying to > > > > > > > figure out where the power button is. I've used, installed, and > > > > > > > upgraded various forms of Linux for years. My point is I know a > > > > > > > lot more than most about Linux and virtualization and I'm having > > > > > > > lots of issues with Qubes. I fully expect to spend many hours > > > > > > > learning how Qubes works and how I can make the best use of it. > > > > > > > I should not have to spend many hours simply getting it installed > > > > > > > and updated. I don't think it's too big of an ask to have this > > > > > > > spelled out well enough that someone experienced with Linux, but > > > > > > > fresh to Qubes, can follow it and have be confident that the many > > > > > > > security and other fixes described so well in your announcements > > > > > > > are fixed/patched. Perhaps the problems I'm experiencing are > > > > > > > unusual. I've been told that my hardware isn't all that peculiar > > > > > > > for Qubes, so this should be a cake walk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John, most of us have little free time and other interests.We're all > > > > > > participant/consumers, although I dont believe any of us are > > > > > > customers - you're not. > > > > > > But your feedback is valued. > > > > > > It would be *more* helpful if you gave some details about what > > > > > > issues you > > > > > > have experienced, what you have tried, and what problems you still > > > > > > have. > > > > > > When you reinstall 4.0 , if you hit problems just drop a line to > > > > > > this > > > > > > list: there are many people who will try to help. > > > > > > > > > > Your quick responses are greatly appreciated. I just re-installed > > > > > 4.0 and will make detailed notes of any issues I can't work through > > > > > on my own. > > > > > > > > > > Customer or not? Well it's a free OS (not sure how you guys stay in > > > > > business), so do we become customers by installing and using it? > > > > > Does Facebook consider their users customers? More generally, if you > > > > > don't pay for something, does that disqualify you from being > > > > > considered a customer? I'm not sure it matters in this case. You > > > > > are trying to help in spite of my snarkiness (which I will try to > > > > > tone down) and that's what matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fellow user covers it, I think. > > > > > > I just donated $100 (+$14 to cover the cost of using a card) to Qubes to > > > assuage my guilty conscience over giving you guys a hard time. > > > > > > > Supportive fellow user. > > And you guys probably thought I just couldn't follow directions: > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4628 > > I'll put together a doc describing exactly how to go from 4.0 fresh install > to latest GA build once we've sorted everything out. It will probably be > obsolete before I finish it, but at least the next poor slob who starts from > the ISO won't have to thrash about quite as much as I did. >
It looks as if your problems are hardware specific, so a full hcl report will be very useful too. Have you hit any problems using Fedora templates? From your install notes it looks as if they are working fine, but I'm not absolutely sure. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20181218000139.t5dmaii47tomjsyf%40thirdeyesecurity.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
