On Sunday, 24 February 2019 03:44:51 UTC+11, 799  wrote:
> <[email protected]> schrieb am Sa., 23. Feb. 2019, 14:35:
> 
> 
> Not quite sure why people try use Qubes with laptops. I found far better 
> performance on desktops. Laptops are the opposite of flexible. PC's you can 
> upgrade to your hearts content. 
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe because for 90% a laptop offers enough performance, has much lower 
> space & power requirement and can be used flexible?
> And because maybe more people "have to use" computers than they "like to 
> build" them thereselves.
> Just a guess ;-)
> 
> 
> I was asking the other question:
> Who is buying those desktop PCs today? 
> 
> 
> - O

Who are buying desktops? Anyone who is serious about computing. Developers, 
gamers, businesses, those interested in VR, those interested in security, those 
interested in a build that can be upgraded to their hearts content. 

Laptops have their purpose. They can provide a mobile computing experience. I 
use one for work purposes. But, lets be real. That is the only advantage over a 
desktop (even power usage can be just as low on a desktop if you want it to 
be). You don't even have to build one yourself for Qubes. You can easily buy a 
SSF Dell Optiplex off ebay for $200 with a Intel 4770/4790 and 16/32gb of ram. 

I have an i7 laptop from 2011 that can't even run Qubes 4.0 because laptop cpus 
get shafted in the specs (thankfully they at least get vt'd these days). I have 
others that have heating problems because there is only so much cooling you can 
give a laptop, while some of my desktops have 5 14cm fans keeping them cool at 
5ghz overclocks.

You say laptops are flexible? But are they? you can't just rip out parts (apart 
from ram/hdd) like a desktop. And their actual upgrade paths are limited. With 
my desktop I have parts from multiple build/years. It is just that flexible. 

Also, space requirements? you living in a tent? 

I speak out about this.. because I have 5 laptops sitting around collecting 
dust. They have limited use because they are laptops. Desktops can always be 
adapted to another use. One of my older builds became a pfsense router, for 
example. 



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