On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 8:30:53 PM UTC+8, unman wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 06:54:15PM -0800, Sphere wrote:
> > It started happening just today
> > Executing sudo dnf update command on my fedora-29 template forcefully makes 
> > my sys-net start
> > 
> > But thing is, I'm no longer using sys-net template as my net vm and this 
> > caused me to triple check my settings and my update VM is showed correctly 
> > as I had intended = a VM designed to securely process DNS queries that is 
> > attached to sys-firewall
> > 
> > Despite this, the behavior continues, even if I kill and/or halt my 
> > fedora-29 template and I have no clue as to why this happens it's like 
> > something is forcing it to use sys-net in an attempt to get through my 
> > secure processing of DNS queries
> > 
> > I also double checked that the template has no assigned net vm as intended 
> > according to how Qubes was designed and it's also set properly to 'none'
> > 
> > It's absolutely persistent to the point that I ended up deleting my sys-net 
> > template and now the sudo dnf update command abruptly ends with "Error: 
> > Failed to synchronize cache for repo 'fedora-modular'"
> > 
> > Can anyone help me with the logs to check/commands to use in diagnosing 
> > this problem properly?
> > 
> 
> This is expected. Not a problem.
> When you run dnf update , Qubes will start the update VM that you have
> set.
> As with any qube, if that has a netvm then it will start *that*, etc etc,
> right up to sys-net.
> If it didn't start a network connection, then you would get an update
> error (as indeed you have).

Sorry if I wasn't clear in some way that may have caused this confusion. I 
should've kept it short and simple:

"I'm no longer using sys-net template as my net vm"

my update VM has internet connection in it, I even did a ping to google

Structure is:
update VM -> Firewall VM -> Net VM(not sys-net)

Which means dnf update should work as expected

But instead what happens is

dnf update execution -> starting sys-net

Making it seem like my sys-net has been set as the updateVM for my fedora-29 
template

I haven't tried updating my other templates yet but performing a 
"qubes-dom0-update" works properly as intended and is using updateVM properly

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