On Thursday, February 28, 2019 at 1:43:28 AM UTC-5, haaber wrote:
> >> cooloutac:
> >>
> >>> The reason why I say privacy and anonymity are two diff things.  And way 
> >>> apart from security. is For example if I log into a facebook .onion site. 
> >>>  Its still my identity.  All that information about you is still being 
> >>> sold to ad agencies.  Governments are still watching it.   The only 
> >>> benefit I can see, is again,   people hiding their location for fear of 
> >>> their life or imprisonment.
> >>
> >> You listed one of the more common Tor benefits in your own paragraph-
> >> many people also use it for every day browsing to avoid most of that
> >> commercial information gathering and resale.
> >
> > Meanwhile you are taking up bandwidth from people who are fearing for their 
> > life or imprisonment.  Maybe you're getting someone killed to stick it to 
> > the ad agencies.   Seems selfish and silly to me, and not a reason to be 
> > using tor.
> >
> I cannot follow your argument. On the contrary: one cannot well hide
> inside a system that contains *only* people who need to hide, right?
> Correlations of users and packets are too high and one is immediately
> uncovered. This means that a good amount of traffic is literally
> *needed* so that some people who rely on it have a chance to disappear
> in the haystack ! Using the tor network for standard browsing is
> therefore good, and encouraged. It is also encouraged to support the tor
> infrastructure (by a donation, for example) :))

well thats a good point.  and you do need people around the world to use it I 
guess even in countries of people that do not fear imprisonment.

The thing is so slow though that i'm sure people die every day relying on it.

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