On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 06:31:07PM +0000, Jon deps wrote:
> On 3/19/19 4:59 PM, Steven Walker wrote:
> > I am still pretty new to Qubes. I have managed to create a new qube, but I 
> > want to install some software for use with this qube. I have read that it 
> > has to be installed to the template and not the actual qube. As the 
> > template has no actual network connection, how do I go about this?
> > 
> > Using 4.0.1, Fedora 29
> > 
> > Any help greatly appeciated.
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> pretty sure, there are different ways to skin the cat, though
> the Templates are designed to obtain access indirectly, that is what the
> "salt" stuff is they talk about ....it seems by default to be setup to use
> sys-whonix-14  to  install updates  , somewhat magically
> you can actually change the netvm without shutting down the templates
> generally it's bad form  to give  the templates direct access,  though may
> you might want to once in while  in order  to troubleshoot something , etc
> .....testing it the morning ,  you should be able to install non updates
> without  Direct  access
> for me  Templates  aren't  worth backing up  , I'm not worried about my
> system  melting down  much ..... and anyway  its going to be best to fresh
> install , which is easy-ist  in Qubes, which is one of the beauties of the
> technology ....
> hence, I clone for other reasons
> one word of advice  is  keep a paper list of  custom  packages you install
> so when it goes to Fedora-30  you install fresh and then add back fresh
> packages ,  your files  will persist,
> my problem  what few files I have end up spread out over  10 App Qubes

It's only if you selected the "update over Whonix" option on install that you 
updating using sys-whonix qube. It's not the default.
Salt doesnt have anything to do with the "indirect" access - the access
is using qubes-rpc to the UpdateProxy - the proxy to use is set in
You can change the proxy to use by editing that file.

You *can* use salt to install software in to the templates. If you do
this then you need only maintain the salt formula and you can easily
recreate a template, without having to keep a paper list. That's an
ideal way of using salt to configure your systems.

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