On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 07:38:47AM -0800, trueriver wrote:
> Hi Defiant
> 
> Slightly off topic but this might be useful for you.
> 
> In my view, and this is purely personal, there is a slightly more coherent 
> feel to working under Debian templates anyway. In part that is because even 
> the full Debian template is less filled out than the fedora one, so that 
> forces you to be in more control of what software the template contains. So 
> my suggestion would be to go over to Debian, including thunar as the file 
> manager. As shroobi says, to get the qubes-specific exensions you need to 
> install the relevant .deb in the Debian template. 
> 
> Note also that the full Debian template, out of the box, does not support 
> sys-net -firewall -usb. If you want to do that, then add the packages 
> suggested in the docs that the Debian minimal template needs to support 
> those VMs. Some of the packages are already installed, but apt is clever 
> enough to tell you and skip over those, so its easier to "install" the lot 
> than figure out which ones are missing. 
> 
> On Sunday, 12 January 2020 22:59:54 UTC, qtpie wrote:
> >
> > Defiant: 
> > > Hello. 
> > > 
> > > I've a question about the Qubes default desktop setup. Basically, the 
> > > latest Qubes is running XFCE desktop environment, but I've noticed 
> > > certain default programs are actually from Gnome. I find those 
> > > particularly difficult to use. 
> > > 
> > > I was wondering why not use the XFCE equivalents of these programs 
> > > instead? For example, Qubes uses Nautilus (gnome files) as the default 
> > > file manager, but there is an existing XFCE file manager called Thunar 
> > > available. The other example I found is the current default text editor. 
> > > 
> > > Would it be a good idea to replace these with XFCE equivalents? 
> > > 
> > > I did a quick test installing Thunar and it seemed to work fine. 
> > > Although one thing I noticed is that certain functions like the "Open in 
> > > disposable VM" in right-click menus were missing. 
> > > 
> >
> > This is because of the separation between dom0 and domU. dom0 is created 
> > by the Qubes team and they chose XFCE as a window manager. Apps like 
> > thunar and nautilus run in a domU, based on a template that you control. 
> > There is no official Fedora flavour with XFCE and the default one uses 
> > GNOME so that is why you get XFCE with GNOME apps. But since you manage 
> > it, and you already started to do this, you can easily XFCEify your 
> > fedora template by installing the XFCE apps and changing the shortcuts 
> > in the Qubes start menu. 
> >
> >
> 

> Note also that the full Debian template, out of the box, does not support
> sys-net -firewall -usb.

This isnt (shouldnt be true). You should be able to just drop in a Debian qube 
to fill
all these roles, bar any necessary firmware. What packages are missing?

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