Hi unman

I said:

> > In version 4 of Qubes, the Debian templates need a little extra
software to run as templates for the sys-XXX Qubes. Best to is to pieced
[typo: proceed] as if for the minimal Debian template, and apt-install
what's needed for the three sys-XXX Qubes. Some of those packages are
already installed but apt will just tell you so, and install the missing
ones
> >

> The Debian template should be usable for sys-** qubes - it is for me,
> and I dont think I installed anything on the default template. (although
> I do build my own.)
> Please detail which software you think is missing.

I'm sorry that i can't be as helpful as you hope: or not right away anyway.

In particular, my Debian 9 template was installed sometime early in 2019
and therefore I cannot either confirm or counter whether issue #5123 would
have fixed this for me: in theory it looks like it might have done. I plan
to test this when I have time.

In more detail:

It failed to work on two different laptops. On one neither sys-net nor -usb
work with the Debian 9 template out of the box as installed by R4.0, fully
updated; on the other sys-net refused to work and -usb was absent. In both
cases reverting to the fedora template made the VMs work again.

See my previous query about this

https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/dcec0b0d-2f61-85c4-5d15-77071f89f00e%40danwin1210.me

I resolved the issue by going to the doc page suggested by xao in that
thread and on the first machine I used apt install to install all the
packages needed to be added to a minimal template to make sys-net and
sys-usb work (just to be clear, I confirm that I had the +full+ template:
but figured that if any of these were missing that would be relevant).

On the other machine,  installed the relevant packages to make sys-net work

On both machines apt told me that several of these packages were already
installed, but did install some packages on each machine. After that all
three sys-XXX VMs worked with the full templates.

My to do list includes an intention to try again with a new install to find
out if #5123 did indeed fix it.

The docs need to be updated either way, because an "old" Debian template,
even if updated, will not have acquired the relevant extra software. When I
know either way, I also plan to update the docs and, if need be, reopen
#5123, but no promises when that will reach the "next task" in my queue...

R~~

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