On 11/30/21 10:18 AM, Ulrich Windl wrote:
On 11/30/21 12:32 PM, Andrew David Wong wrote:
On 11/29/21 12:06 PM, 'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users wrote:
When I follow the guide
on https://www.qubes-os.org/security/verifying-signatures/
I get the following result
[vagrant@fedora ~]$ gpg2 --check-signatures "Qubes Master Signing Key"
pub   rsa4096 2010-04-01 [SC]
uid           [ultimate] Qubes Master Signing Key
sig!3        DDFA1A3E36879494 2010-04-01  Qubes Master Signing Key

gpg: 1 good signature
[vagrant@fedora ~]$ gpg2 --check-signatures "Qubes OS Release 4 Signing Key"
pub   rsa4096 2017-03-06 [SC]
uid           [ unknown] Qubes OS Release 4 Signing Key
sig!3        1848792F9E2795E9 2017-03-06  Qubes OS Release 4 Signing Key
gpg: Note: third-party key signatures using the SHA1 algorithm are rejected
gpg: (use option "--allow-weak-key-signatures" to override)
sig%         DDFA1A3E36879494 2017-03-08  [Invalid digest algorithm]

gpg: 1 good signature
gpg: 1 signature not checked due to an error

Is it because the master key is old and the old defaults are now
considering too weak?

I take it you're referring to the message about SHA1. I'm not certain, but we do have a related open issue, which the devs are working on now:


Also see the comments on this issue, which are even more specific to your question:


In particular, Marek commented (on #4378):

"In general, it may be a good idea to create new signature using SHA256 or such, to ease the use with weak-digest SHA1 option enabled. But in practice, in the current state SHA1 problems doesn't affect security of the key itself, because there are no known pre-image attacks.
New signatures are made with SHA256 hash function."

If so, why not distribute a new one?

It's not that simple. As Marek recently pointed out to me, "The current QMSK is well known and published in a lot of places (easing its verification), including various conference videos, physical t-shirts we sold, some stickers etc. With every new QMSK it will take time until it will be comparably easy to independently verify."

But isn't that exactly the advantage of the "web of trust"?: You can sign the new key with your old key, and people will (have the chance to) trust the new key as well.

The Web of Trust is only one of several different methods for authenticating the QMSK. Many of our users do not use the Web of Trust. Please read this for further details:


Having said that, we do have an open issue for generating a new QMSK:


We likely will at some point, but it's not an action to be taken lightly.

Andrew David Wong
Community Manager
The Qubes OS Project

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