"Joachim Schrod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> [...] How many timeservers does one need in an environment as I have
> described it? [...] there is *no* demand for high precision, ...

I'd say one, then.

If timekeeping is not overtly critical, you can do fine with a single
server. Occasional loss of Internet connectivity is handled by the
primary itself, the backup in my scheme protects (only) from client
divergence after total failure of the primary. Not all that interesting,
really, except as a way to freak people out who know only that having
two servers is bad.

Having four servers offers improved fault tolerance mostly against
faults in the external references, of which you need a significant
number to actually achieve that tolerance.

Setting up your own refclocks is great if toys are your thing. You
can undoubtedly sell them to management, but personally I like tall
trees. I'm very comfortable at stratum 4.


[...]
> The connection between these two cases is still unclear to me. If I
> have own primary servers with refclocks (case 1); should I still set
> up internal timeservers (case 2)?

Yes. If you care enough to have your own refclocks, you should have
a fully-peered layer below them for the clients to see, with ISP and
pool fallback associations.

In my opinion (but other people are bound to have their own), refclocks
don't take the place of the primary server layer. They augment your
external references. If nothing else, this way of thinking lets you swap
out in-house refclocks without affecting all the leaf nodes, since they
only see the interface server layer.

Another scenario for refclocks is if you need very good time in a few
hosts. You can then distribute a (single) PPS signal to them.

You keep mentioning the number of hosts in your questions. That's really
not that relevant. Much more interesting are the fault tolerance and
accuracy you require, and how you want certain failure modes dealt with.
Failure modes I'm aware of include loss of Internet connectivity, Internet
connection overload, failure of a single master, internal refclock
insanity (1-N), and external reference insanity (1-N).

Groetjes,
Maarten Wiltink


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