unruh <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2011-12-24, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>> unruh <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 2011-12-24, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> John Hasler <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> unruh writes:
>>>>>> They require ns accuracy in the timing and m accuracy in the
>>>>>> distance. And the timing is not simply gps ( although they could have
>>>>>> gotten that wrong) but then that timing has to be brought down into
>>>>>> the mine a km or so below ground and horizontally and that also has to
>>>>>> be surveyed for the distance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The NOvA detector is not in a mine so it should be possible to site the
>>>>> GPS receiver directly above it and drop a cable straight down.  The same
>>>>> should be possible at the Fermi end.  You could set up both timing
>>>>> chains at Fermilab (using indentical components including cable lengths
>>>>> if you want to be fanatical), calibrate them against each other for
>>>>> delay from antenna to output, and then pack one up and ship it up north
>>>>> (of course there may be good reasons not to do it this way).  The
>>>>> surveying should be easier than in Europe: there's no mountain range in
>>>>> the way.
>>>>
>>>> That's the common misconception of the geology.
>>>>
>>>> Basically the lab is in a tunnel in the side of a mountain and is no more
>>>> a km underground than is the lobby of a 20 story hotel 20 stories
>>>> underground.
>>> 
>>> But it is a few km inside the mountain. Is a mine in Denver not
>>> underground just because Denver is 1600 m above sea level? 
>>
>> The issue is that most people don't seem to be able to understand how
>> to get an accurate position of a location that is vertically under a km
>> or so of dirt, yet horizontally feet from wide open sky and GPS signals.
> 
> A few feet? I assume that was a misprint for a few km.

Where do you see the words "few feet" in what I wrote?

The bottom line is that the only thing that is relevant is the path to the
GPS antenna with a clear view of the sky.

Everything else is bloviation.


-- 
Jim Pennino

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