I would personally be very interested in a "video over QUIC" working group or mailing list.
The directness of this draft is perhaps what's most interesting to me. In particular, the absence of out-of-band signaling / session establishment stands in striking contrast with another UDP-based media ingest option: WebRTC. The signaling needed for session establishment (and the diversity of implementations for such signaling) has historically been a barrier for WebRTC adoption as an ingest protocol outside of the browser context. WISH-WG is working to improve that situation for WebRTC of course, but a new QUIC-based ingest protocol presents an opportunity to sidestep some of those known-issues by making an architectural decision up front about whether that style of session management is necessary in a video contribution workflow. I'm hoping others with more experience on these lists can speak to the history and tradeoffs associated with those approaches, but I just wanted to call attention to the aspect of the draft that seemed most notable to me as an operator of a low latency streaming platform where WebRTC egress and ingest capabilities are provided, but where RTMP is still the de facto ingest protocol of choice for many users. Thanks for sharing this work! -Mike On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 12:32 PM Victor Vasiliev <vasilvv= [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Alan, > > Excited to see this draft! > > Since this isn't technically in scope for either avtcore, wish or quic > working groups, what would people think about making a new mailing list for > video over QUIC? > > Cheers, > Victor. > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:27 AM Justin Uberti < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 1:35 PM Roberto Peon <fenix= >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Seems like a good idea to me, unless there is a home that is already >>> well suited! >>> >>> -=R >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *QUIC <[email protected]> on behalf of Luke Curley < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Date: *Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 1:16 PM >>> *To: *Alan Frindell <[email protected]> >>> *Cc: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Sergio Garcia Murillo < >>> [email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, " >>> [email protected]" <[email protected]>, Kirill Pugin <[email protected]> >>> *Subject: *Re: [Wish] Video ingest over QUIC >>> >>> >>> >>> Hey Alan, thanks for publishing your protocol! >>> >>> >>> >>> Twitch has also been working on a video over QUIC protocol, albeit >>> primarily for video distribution instead of contribution. We're very >>> interested in collaborating on RUSH and producing a new standard for live >>> streaming! Would there be broader interest in forming a video over QUIC >>> working group? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 12:04 PM Alan Frindell <afrind= >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Sergio, thanks for your interest in the draft. >>> >>> >>> >>> I’m interested in seeing a video ingest protocol standard that leverages >>> QUIC as a transport, has some partial reliability support, and is less >>> connection-oriented so that servers can go down for maintenance without >>> impacting ingest reliability or having arbitrarily long drain times. We >>> published our RUSH draft to help kickstart the conversation but we’re open >>> to feedback and modifications if they help advance those goals. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> -Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *Sergio Garcia Murillo <[email protected]> >>> *Date: *Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 9:02 AM >>> *To: *Alan Frindell <[email protected]> >>> *Cc: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, >>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, Kirill Pugin <[email protected]> >>> *Subject: *Re: [Wish] Video ingest over QUIC >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Alan, >>> >>> >>> >>> I think that the correct place for discussing it is AVTCORE as Bernard >>> has indicated, as WISH is not chartered to implement any new media >>> protocol. >>> >>> >>> >>> The draft is very interesting and I would be willing to collaborate, >>> what is your main interest? Do you want to try to publish it as it is or >>> would you be accepting feedback and include modifications? >>> >>> >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Sergio >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> El mar, 13 jul 2021 a las 17:37, Alan Frindell (<afrind= >>> [email protected]>) escribió: >>> >>> Hi, for several years, Facebook has been using its own video ingest >>> protocol over QUIC from our apps to our infra. While we’ve spoken about it >>> before, we just now published a draft documenting how it works: >>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-kpugin-rush-00.html. >>> >>> The protocol leverages the advantages of QUIC transport, and features a >>> partially reliable mode using only QUIC v1 RST_STREAM. >>> >>> We welcome your feedback >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -Alan Frindell >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Wish mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wish >>> >>> -- >>> Wish mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wish >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance >>> [email protected] >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avt >>> >> -- > Wish mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/wish >
