Hi, maybe so, but, the reason Apple's OS 10 was inaccessible for so long is because they developed their Voiceover in house. In OS 9, I believe screen reader access was provided by out spoken? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. And as far as the breathing goes, lol, That wasn't in there first version of Voiceover which was release in OSX 10.4 Tiger. It was put out with the Alex TTS in OS 10.5, Leopard. The screenreader in their first version of Voiceover was indeed spotty. I won't argue that at all. But, I disagree with the flash over function remark. Especially since you've put the wrong flash, to the wrong function in this case. I've used many Windows machines, and in my experience, all though you pay a higher up front cost for a Mac, they are generally more dependable. Mainly, because of quality control, and 1 company being in in charge of hardware and software. And I think its fair to point out, that was their 1st attempt at a full fledged screen reader. Any one here ever used Android? their screen reader was pretty limited the first couple of years. and it has steadily improved. I find this to be the same with Mac OS and Voiceover.
JMO. :). On May 23, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Nicole Massey <[email protected]> wrote: > Whereas Microsoft started working on a comprehensive solution for Windows > 2000, and was threatened by the NFB with a lawsuit, which resulted in them > abandoning the initiative. > And 805J compliance wasn't the issue at hand, it was educational contracts > and making their computers usable for blind folks working in the film > industry whose jobs went away with the shift to digital film production. > And let's not forget that the first version of Voiceover had problems > working with Safari, the standard web browser for Apple computers at the > time, while the programmers made sure that the program took a breath at the > end of sentences -- flash over function is a common problem with Apple. > (They don't have an exclusive on that, BTW) > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Ricardo Walker > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:14 PM > To: QWS list > Subject: Re: QWS List Question > > Hello, > > I'm not really sure if this is the case. Apple had a choice. Make your > products reasonably accessible, or loose your multi million dollar > government contracts. Apple then went out and did what made sense > economically for them. To be fair, they went way beyond what the government > states for reasonable accessibility. In this case, keyboard makers have no > incentive what so ever to make their products accessible except some sense > of right and wrong. This often doesn't get you very far when money is > involved. haha. > On May 22, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Nicole Massey <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Remember too that Apple didn't do it by choice -- they were told to do >> so by the state of California. >> There's a simple solution to this -- don't use anything that's > inaccessible. >> Vote with your wallet. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Alan Paganelli >> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:02 PM >> To: QWS list >> Subject: Re: QWS List Question >> >> My understanding is, Yamaha was asked by several blindness related >> organizations to develop a means by which blind people could hear the >> names of buttons and switches and the company flat out said no. I was >> told it was NFB doing the asking. Sense I'm not a member, it's just >> hearsay. The feeling is if Apple can build accessibility into their >> products, why can't Yamaha. >> >> I understand that it sounds great on principle, however, I'm not sure >> I'd like my keyboard announcing every key press I made either. So >> what's your thoughts on keyboard accessibility on keyboards etc? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Florian-achtige <mailto:[email protected]> >> To: QWS list <mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:27 AM >> Subject: Re: QWS List Question >> >> Hi, >> >> How does their record on accssibility suck? :S >> I think their manuals in text version, their non-wrapping menus etc >> are a hell of a lot more accessible than for example the way Korg is >> going with all their touch--based stuff ...I wouldn't be surprised > if >> Roland goes that way with their high-end keyboards , if it hasn't >> already ... >> >> Florian >> >> 2013/5/22, Alan Paganelli <[email protected]>: >> > I'd hate to think it's true. Their record on accessibility > already >> sucks. >> > That would be a huge step backward. >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Brian Olesen >> > To: QWS list >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:42 AM >> > Subject: Re: QWS List Question >> > >> > >> > Hi, >> > wow if this true they're gonna lose market share like hell. >> > roland has just gone back to no touch and lots of bottons on >> their new >> > Bk9, so this is in my opinion Yamaha on the wrong track so to >> speak. :-) >> > >> > Brian >> > >> > >> > From: Alan Paganelli >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:33 PM >> > To: QWS list >> > Subject: QWS List Question >> > >> > Hi All, >> > >> > It's been awhile sense I've posted to this list. I've heard >> talk that the >> > Yamaha Tyros 5 for a lack of a better term is said to have a touch > >> screen >> > and no buttons. All on screen menus so if I understand that > right, >> it'll be >> > more like an iPhone screen instead. I have no idea if this is > true >> or not. >> > My hunch is, there won't be any screen reader for it either. Does > >> anybody >> > know anything about this or heard any rumors etc? >> > >> > Thanks in advance! >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Alan >> > >> > Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act >> now!!!!! >> > Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know >> everything. >> > >> > Please click on: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ >> > There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and >> performances played >> > on >> > the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. I often add files so check back >> regularly! >> > >> > The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still >> > available upon request. 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