Yes, that was my thought. However, the session horns manual doesn’t have it at all. I scroll down all the way to the bottom of the manual and look through several of the last pages and there’s nothing. Still trying to find the one for Broadway big band, but the manual appears to be only available once you purchase it, as numerous different web searches have turned up nothing.
God bless! Seth On Feb 17, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Nicole Massey <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote: Most often, the very end of the manual. -----Original Message----- From: mai...@andrelouis.com [mailto:mai...@andrelouis.com] On Behalf Of Seth Lowman Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 8:15 PM To: QWS list <qws@AndreLouis.COM> Subject: Re: QWS List Session Horns alternative: Unfortunately, Session horns pro does not appear to have a midi implementation chart. I’ve done a few different web searches trying to find one and even the manual for it does not contain it. Cannot seem to find it for the Broadway band from fable sounds either. Where on earth do they hide these things? God bless! Seth On Feb 17, 2022, at 10:16 AM, Nicole Massey <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote: I suspect what I'm about to say is what our list owner did, but have you dug into the MIDI Implementation Chart yet? This is where you can find some useful stuff about how it saves its data. Nicole -----Original Message----- From: mai...@andrelouis.com [mailto:mai...@andrelouis.com] On Behalf Of Seth Lowman Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 10:54 AM To: QWS list <qws@AndreLouis.COM> Subject: Re: QWS List Session Horns alternative: I wonder about the Fable sound libraries. I’ve listened to the demo tracks, and they seem like they’ve covered just about everything under the sun, which is probably why it’s so expensive. The real question is how accessible is it, and will I be able to access all the articulations? It is available for Kontakt, but there was no mention of NKS compatibility from what I could see. They also mentioned in the description that it’s fully compatible with notation software. Of course, that’s not something I really deal with on a regular basis; I compose all my film score cues in logic or QWS depending on what I’m doing. In the meantime, I think I might do some more playing around with session horns as that’s what I’ve got, and see if maybe there’s something I’ve overlooked. God bless! Seth On Feb 16, 2022, at 10:31 PM, Nicole Massey <ny...@gypsyheir.com> wrote: This has been something I've wanted for a very long time -- a decent source for sampled/PM horns. As a player of all the brass and with some ability to play woodwinds, I've always found just about everything out there to be substandard. Mute options never go deep enough for me, the ornaments (especially jazz ones) don't come anywhere close, and some of the tricks like getting different tone colors by using alternate fingerings never enter the designers' minds. Now, to get this on topic, the other big problem is MIDI implementation. There are so many cool options for doing specific things using controller data alone. Nothing of this probably requires high definition controllers, so it can be simple switching. (okay, there are options for cup mutes that can be adjusted because the cup screws on/off, and how in the plunger is on a Harmon mute is another variable, but neither of these need more than 128 values) I've been playing with the range of controllers available to a GS instrument, and even with that small set there's so much sound modification possible. But for some reason I never find it aimed toward brass. And though this is even more rare, it'd be great if it was either a driver or a stand-alone or had multiple options, because VST stuff always seems kind of kludge to me, at least in QWS. Nicole -----Original Message----- From: mai...@andrelouis.com [mailto:mai...@andrelouis.com] On Behalf Of Seth Lowman Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 12:20 AM To: QWS list <qws@AndreLouis.COM> Subject: Re: QWS List Session Horns alternative: Thanks, all, for your input. I have tried all the keyswitches, and none of them have the shake articulation assigned to them. I watched a YouTube video about using session horns, and apparently you can get the shake articulation, if you have sight and can use the mouse. Nope, sorry, I’ll just have to invest in a more accessible sound library, and yes, one that does sound a little bit better. Someone on the MOAccess list pointed me to this: https://fablesounds.com/broadway-big-band/ Sounds amazing and it said to work with Kontakt, but so so expensive. I’ll also look into the ones Andre suggested. Many thanks! God bless! Seth On Feb 16, 2022, at 9:50 PM, Andre Louis <onj.lo...@googlemail.com <mailto:onj.lo...@googlemail.com> > wrote: Hi. The Session Horns key switches at c0 (or basically lowest C you can reach after octave-shifting) should help. If you don't care for Session Horns, try ProjectSAM Swing! And Swing More libraries, which may offer better Jazz sounds anyway. Personally, I think they do, and they play nicer in my opinion. I own both. Not relevant to this list however. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole Massey" <ny...@gypsyheir.com <mailto:ny...@gypsyheir.com> > To: "QWS list" <qws@AndreLouis.COM <mailto:qws@AndreLouis.COM> > Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 3:33 AM Subject: RE: QWS List Session Horns alternative: Is there any way to drop these in using any kind of MIDI data? If so then all you need to do is save them to a file and open the file to copy and paste (in the main file) the articulation. Things like shakes, flutter tounging, doits, and even falls should be rare enough this shouldn't be too much of a headache to drop them in every once in a while. But more to the point, if there's no way to designate these articulations through MIDI, Music XML, or other notation friendly formats then it's going to be impossible to have these in the parts so horn players can play them. And anything using program change is going to be opaque to notation programs too, which would rule out the keyboards you mentioned. None of this matters if you're going to not use real horns. The other important consideration is that the shakes are different between trumpets and trombones/saxophones. Trumpet shakes tend to be more volume based than pitch based, while trombone shakes are 100% pitch, and sax shakes can involve either variation depending on what the section leader decides. So if you're going for a realistic performance the sound source needs to take the different performance methods into consideration. Note also that back when I was playing in jazz ensembles we tended to strike out these types of articulations instead of playing them, because they can clutter things up a lot. Nicole -----Original Message----- From: mai...@andrelouis.com <mailto:mai...@andrelouis.com> [mailto:mai...@andrelouis.com] On Behalf Of Seth Lowman Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 8:43 PM To: QWS list <qws@AndreLouis.COM <mailto:qws@AndreLouis.COM> > Subject: QWS List Session Horns alternative: Hello all. Subject says it all. I am thoroughly disappointed with session horns pro, as while it is somewhat KK accessible, there appears to be no way to access the additional articulations that are supposed to be available, But that are, stupidly enough, not included in any of the presets, for example brass shakes. I did some searching online to see if I could figure out how to access these articulation, but it appears you cannot do so without using the stupid mouse, and being blind I cannot do that. Does anybody know of any workarounds for this? I need these additional articulation for some of my jazz composition, and if I cannot access them without sighted assistance then what’s the point of having this plug-in in the first place? May as well just spend the additional money on a Tyros 5 or a Montage and have access to what I need with velocity switches and control change messages. If there is no workaround, are there any other jazz horn plugins that are fully accessible? God bless! 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