Hi Peter and everyone, [Hmmm, didn't I say I was not really interested in spending time getting into these discussions anymore? Oh well, I can't help myself. ;-) ]
> Why would you want a GUI for something like R in the first > place? It is a programming language. That is its force. Nothing > beats the command line. I think there are many people who would strongly disagree with your suggestion that there is no point in developing GUIs for R. But there is also some ambiguity about what is meant by a GUI - an Interactive Development Environment (IDE) for developers or a GUI for users who are highly intelligent, but have no interest whatsoever in ever learning how to use a command-line interface, whilst still wanting to access some of the functionality in R/Bioconductor. Some statisticians / numerical computing specialists work in isolation and like to advertise that some of their work is very "applied" e.g. they are working on a project which will save the world or cure cancer or whatever [sorry for the exaggeration] but this is a natural way for them to market the importance of their field of research and feel good about themselves. On the otherhand, there are people like the bioinformatics group I work in who are a very successful research group, partly because we don't work in isolation. Instead we collaborate very closely with scientists from other fields (i.e. biomedical scientists), but there is an extreme danger here of being used as a service group (like I.T. support) by the biomedical scientists who don't appreciate how much work is involved in computer programming, statistics etc. So one solution is to use a language like R, with the philosophy "users become developers", i.e. rather than having to learn an intimidating hierarchy of 100's of classes in some object oriented language [OK, I'm exaggerating here], the user can begin using R quite gently (but still do some powerful statistical calculations) and then gradually become more advanced. Now some of the (extremely intelligent) biologists we collaborate with are very fearful of getting started in a command-line interface, so they keep asking us to do mundane things for them which are not going to lead to any research publications for us - i.e. we feel like we are just being used as I.T. support. So by providing a GUI to them, getting started in R is less intimidating for them, so then we can hopefully spend less time doing mundane numerical computing tasks for our collaborators and have more time to do our own serious research. And we can even publish our work on developing GUIs which we have - just a short article in Bioinformatics OUP so far - and John Fox has published a full-length article on Rcmdr in the Journal of Statistical Software - great stuff! Does that make sense? James ______________________________________________ R-devel@r-project.org mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-devel
