Dear List and Frank,

I have calculated the log-odds for my models but maybe i am not getting 
something but i am not understanding how for a categorical factor this helps? 
On all the examples i have see it relates to continuous factors where moving 
from one number to another shows either a increase or decrease, not as in my 
case a change of catagory.

Furthermore, this gives the values for each factor independent of each other, 
how do i get the log-odds for the entire model? I appreciate i maybe trying to 
put things in boxes again, i am not i am happy to report the log odds  of 
moving from one response level to the next but would like it for all the 
factors together not independently.

John
                                                                                
Low             High    Diff.   Effect  S.E.            Lower   Upper
WO      Woody:Non_woody                                 1               2       
        NA      0.28    0.16    -0.04   0.6
Odds Ratio                                                              1       
        2               NA      1.32    NA              0.96    1.82
PD      Abiotic:Biotic                                                  2       
        1               NA      -1.21   0.13    -1.47   -0.96
Odds Ratio                                                              2       
        1               NA      0.3             NA              0.23    0.38
ALT     All:Low                                                         3       
        1               NA      0.47    0.19    0.11    0.84
Odds Ratio                                                              3       
        1               NA      1.6             NA              1.11    2.31
ALT     High:Low                                                        3       
        2               NA      -0.07   0.14    -0.35   0.21
Odds Ratio                                                              3       
        2               NA      0.93    NA              0.7             1.24
ALT     Mid:Low                                                         3       
        4               NA      0.39    0.15    0.1             0.67
Odds Ratio                                                              3       
        4               NA      1.48    NA              1.11    1.96
REG     Two_plus:One                                    1               2       
        NA      -0.59   0.13    -0.84   -0.34
Odds Ratio                                                              1       
        2               NA      0.55    NA              0.43    0.72
BIO     Arctic:Subtropical/Tropical                             4               
1               NA      -1.02   0.81    -2.61   0.58
Odds Ratio                                                              4       
        1               NA      0.36    NA              0.07    1.78
BIO     Boreal:Subtropical/Tropical                     4               2       
        NA      -1.21   0.81    -2.79   0.37
Odds Ratio                                                              4       
        2               NA      0.3             NA              0.06    1.44
BIO     Mediterranean:Subtropical/Tropical      4               3               
NA      -1.89   0.48    -2.83   -0.95
Odds Ratio                                                              4       
        3               NA      0.15    NA              0.06    0.39
BIO     Temperate:Subtropical/Tropical          4               5               
NA      -0.09   0.16    -0.41   0.23
Odds Ratio                                                              4       
        5               NA      0.91    NA              0.66    1.26
On 3 Oct 2010, at 15:29, Frank Harrell wrote:


You still seem to be hung up on making arbitrary classifications.  Instead,
look at tendencies using odds ratios or rank correlation measures.  My book
Regression Modeling Strategies covers this.

Frank

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Department of Biostatistics, Vanderbilt University
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