If the word Indian refers to India, the place of origin for the color, then referring to it by this name gives an acknowledgement to this fact and I would have assumed such acknowledgement is a positive thing.
Bernard Sent from my iPhone so please excuse the spelling!" > On Nov 17, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Spencer Graves > <spencer.gra...@effectivedefense.org> wrote: > > Might it be appropriate to raise that question on the Talk page > associated with the Wikipedia article on "Indian red (color)": > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_red_(color) > > > Many Wikimedian are generally sympathetic to discussions of > political correctness and similar topics. If the name of that article were > changed, then it should be a lot easier to pursue a similar name change > elsewhere. > > > Spencer Graves > > >> On 2020-11-17 15:25, Mitchell Maltenfort wrote: >> What about just amputating the final "n?" >> "Indian" might mean one of two things, but "India" is pretty distinct. >>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 4:10 PM T. A. Milne via R-help >>> <r-help@r-project.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Apologies to the list for continuing a thread which is clearly off-topic. >>> However, contacting the maintainer of an R package to complain about this >>> specific color name seems ill-considered. >>> >>> 1) The name "indian red" is a part of widely-used color schemes >>> everywhere, not just in R. It's the color defined as: >>> >>> "The color indianred / Indian red with hexadecimal color code #cd5c5c is a >>> shade of red. In the RGB color model #cd5c5c is comprised of 80.39% red, >>> 36.08% green and 36.08% blue. In the HSL color space #cd5c5c has a hue of >>> 0° (degrees), 53% saturation and 58% lightness. This color has an >>> approximate wavelength of 611.37 nm." >>> >>> https://encycolorpedia.com/cd5c5c >>> >>> >>> 2) The "indian" in the color name refers to ferric oxide, historically >>> sourced from India. Per Wikipedia: >>> >>> "The name Indian red derives from the red laterite soil found in India, >>> which is composed of naturally occurring iron oxides.[citation needed] The >>> first recorded use of Indian red as a color term in English was in 1672.[3" >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_red_(color) >>> >>> >>> Given the name refers to the locus of the ferric oxide source, It isn't >>> obvious that any particular group should be offended by the name. >>> >>> >>> -- T. Arthur Milne >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Rolf Turner <r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:54:01 +1100 >>>> Jim Lemon <drjimle...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Elaine, >>>>> There seems to be a popular contest to discover offence everywhere. I >>>>> don't think that it does anything against racism, sexism or >>>>> antidisestablishmentarianism. Words are plucked from our vast lexicon >>>>> to comfort or insult our fellows depending upon the intent of the >>>>> user. It is the intent that matters, not the poor word. Chasing the >>>>> words wastes your time, blames those who use the words harmlessly, >>>>> and gives the real offender time to find another epithet. >>>>> >>>> Jim: This is superbly expressed. I wish that I could have said >>>> that! Your posting should go down in the annals of brilliant rhetoric, >>>> alongside Dr. Johnson's "Letter to Lord Chesterfield". >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> >>>> Rolf >>>> >>> You know, I wouldn’t have continued this thread (which has now wandered >>> off topic from the original somewhat-more-technical question), but I feel >>> now like it’s necessary to do so (and only fair, if anyone is considering >>> moderating me after letting these posts by): >>> >>> That is a view commonly held by white people, and even more overwhelmingly >>> by white men. Our field is already not as diverse as it should be for a >>> variety of reasons, and this “pretending no one else on earth exists” kind >>> of stuff is at least some part of the reason. The question at issue here >>> aside, white men complaining about people finding racism or sexism >>> everywhere they look doesn’t pass the sniff test. Most or all of these >>> things that people are reporting as offensive are being reported by people >>> you’re clearly not listening to. >>> >>> Further, impact is what matters. If I step on your foot, I apologize, >>> regardless of whether or not it was intentional, because it’s the right >>> thing to do. If someone tells you “that thing you’re saying is offensive or >>> is hurting me” and you say “I didn’t mean it,” and then keep right on doing >>> it, what does it say to the person on the receiving end of it? 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