Dear Jeff,
I am indeed guilty of a highly inadvertent diction...I have
to welcome your exhortations....
Coming back to the point, I have read Avanced R by HAdley. But its all
theory...and the present issue that I ran into is, possibly, a practical
application of ALL that. For example, I never knew, and don't think that it is
ever mentioned in Avanced R, that, as Bill advised, to use the function with()
to get the source code of java_check()...(caveat: if it is mentioned in
Advanced R, please let me know the chapter and page number so that I can have a
look...). And to get on the path to solve these practical problems, my first
choice is R Help Mailing list! Therefore, a hearty thanks for your pointed
answer and more importantly, your exhortations....!
Thanking you,
Yours sincerely
AKSHAY M KULKARNI
________________________________
From: Jeff Newmiller <jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 11:29 PM
To: r-help@r-project.org <r-help@r-project.org>; akshay kulkarni
<akshay...@hotmail.com>; Jorgen Harmse <jhar...@roku.com>; r-help@r-project.org
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Subject: Re: [R] function doesn't exists but still runs..... (akshay kulkarni)
This is not a "problem" ... it is a "feature". Packages often use functions
from other packages, but that does NOT mean that you as a user can
automatically use those functions also.
If Package A uses Package B to implement something, but Package B becomes
unavailable, the maintainer of Package A would like to fill in the gap. If
Package A "Depends" on Package B then users of package A automatically get
access to Package B and they get used to treating Package A like it contains
all of the functions in Package B directly.
Therefore it is common to have Package A "Import" Package B so that the Package
A maintainer won't have to re-implement all of Package B to avoid breaking code
for users of Package A. They can fix things under the hood for their own
Package A functions using other code.
If a user wants to depend on Package B, it is up to them to use the library
function to do so explicitly... and when Package B goes away, they are
responsible for dealing with that mess themselves.
You asked "how", and got answers... but you didn't bother to follow up on those
answers by reading things like "Writing R Extensions" or Hadley Wickham's "R
Packages" or "Advanced R". Don't turn that laziness into a value judgement
about "problems" with R.
On January 20, 2023 9:18:54 AM PST, akshay kulkarni <akshay...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Dear Jorgen,
> thanks for the reply.....so according to you one can
> pegion hole the problem as concerning R's lexical scoping rules,am I right?
> Or some arcane concept regarding environments....?
>
>THanking you,
>Yours sincerely,
>AKSHAY M KULKARNI
>________________________________
>From: Jorgen Harmse <jhar...@roku.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 9:34 PM
>To: r-help@r-project.org <r-help@r-project.org>; akshay...@hotmail.com
><akshay...@hotmail.com>; williamwdun...@gmail.com <williamwdun...@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: function doesn't exists but still runs..... (akshay kulkarni)
>
>
>It may help to expand a bit on Bill Dunlap's answer. I think that library does
>something like this:
>
>
>
>Create a new environment for all the package objects. This environment will
>not be directly visible from .GlobalEnv, and ancestor environments may not be
>directly visible either. It may contain functions & other objects that are not
>exported, and it may use objects in ancestor environments that .GlobalEnv
>doesn't see directly. On the other hand, functions in the package will still
>see external functions in the way the package author intended instead of
>seeing functions with the same name that are visible to .GlobalEnv.
>
>
>
>Run the source code in the private environment (using source(local=private
>environment, ....)?). Most package source code just defines functions, but the
>source code could build other objects that the package needs for some reason,
>or it could use delayedAssign to build the objects lazily. By default, the
>environment of any function defined by the source code is the private
>environment, so the function has access to private objects and to anything in
>ancestor environments.
>
>
>
>Create a second new environment whose parent is parent.env(.GlobalEnv). For
>every export, assign the corresponding object from the private environment
>into the corresponding name in the public environment. Note that the
>environment of any function is still the private environment in which it was
>created. (I think that a function is mostly determined by its environment, its
>formals, and its body. A function call creates a new environment whose parent
>is the environment of the function. Thus whoever wrote the function can
>control the search for anything that isn�t passed in or created by the
>function itself.)
>
>
>
>Reset parent.env(.GlobalEnv) to be the public environment. This makes all the
>exported objects (usually functions) available at the command line and allows
>the user to see everything that was available before (usually by name only,
>but by scope-resolved name if necessary). As noted by Bill Dunlap and in more
>detail above, package functions can use functions & other objects that are not
>directly visible to the user. As he also showed, you can (usually) pierce the
>privacy as long at least one function is exported.
>environment(package_function) is the private environment, so you can use it to
>see all the private objects and everything in the ancestor environments. You
>can repeat the trick to see private environments of packages you didn't
>directly pull in. I think you can even unlock bindings and do ghastly things
>to the package's private environment.
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Jorgen Harmse.
>
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>
>Message: 17
>Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:02:31 -0800
>From: Bill Dunlap <williamwdun...@gmail.com>
>To: akshay kulkarni <akshay...@hotmail.com>
>Cc: R help Mailing list <r-help@r-project.org>
>Subject: Re: [R] function doesn't exists but still runs.....
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>
>Look into R's scoping rules. E.g.,
>https://bookdown.org/rdpeng/rprogdatascience/scoping-rules-of-r.html.
>
>* When a function looks up a name, it looks it up in the environment in
>which the function was defined.
>* Functions in a package are generally defined in the package's environment
>(although sometimes they are in a descendent of the parent's environment).
>* When one searches an environment for a name, if it is not found in the
>environment the search continues in the parent environment of that
>environment, recursively until the parent environment is the empty
>environment.
>
>> with(environment(wdman::selenium), java_check)
>function ()
>{
> javapath <- Sys.which("java")
> if (identical(unname(javapath), "")) {
> stop("PATH to JAVA not found. Please check JAVA is installed.")
> }
> javapath
>}
><bytecode: 0x000001fd0ab826a8>
><environment: namespace:wdman>
>
>-Bill
>
>On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 2:28 PM akshay kulkarni <akshay...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> dear members,
>> I am using the RSelenium package which uses
>> the function selenium() from the wdman package. The selenium function
>> contains the function java_check at line 12. If I try to run it, it throws
>> an error:
>>
>> > javapath <- java_check()
>> Error in java_check() : could not find function "java_check"
>>
>> Also:
>>
>> > exists("java_check")
>> [1] FALSE
>>
>> But when I run selenium(), it works fine....
>>
>> How do you explain this conundrum? You can refer to this link:
>> https://github.com/ropensci/wdman/issues/15
>>
>> Specifically what concept of R explains this weird behaviour?
>>
>> Thanking you,
>> Yours sincerely,
>> AKSHAY M KULKARNI
>>
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