Gad Abraham wrote:
This approach leaves much to be desired. I hope that its practitioners start gauging it by the mean squared error of predicted probabilities.

Is the logic here is that low MSE of predicted probabilities equals a better calibrated model? What about discrimination? Perfect calibration

Almost. I was addressed more the wish for the use of strategies that maximize precision while keeping bias to a minimim.

implies perfect discrimination, but I often find that you can have two

That doesn't follow. You can have perfect calibration in the large with no discrimination.

competing models, the first with higher discrimination (AUC) and worse calibration, and the the second the other way round. Which one is the better model?

I judge models on the basis of both discrimination (best measured with log likelihood measures, 2nd best AUC) and calibration. It's a two-dimensional issue and we don't always know how to weigh the two. For many purposes calibration is a must. In those we don't look at discrimination until calibration-in-the-small is verified at high resolution.

Frank




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Frank E Harrell Jr   Professor and Chair           School of Medicine
                     Department of Biostatistics   Vanderbilt University

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