Right, but you still can sandwich them if you want.  

(I recently did that in Proc MIXED, but Michael, I'm not sure how to
do it using lme).

best,
-tony


On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:16:10 -0800, Berton Gunter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ???
> correlated within group errors are explicitly modeled by corStruct classes.
> See ?lme and Chapter 5.3 in Bates and Pinheiro.
> 
> -- Bert Gunter
> Genentech Non-Clinical Statistics
> South San Francisco, CA
> 
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> process."  - George E. P. Box
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Na Li
> > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 8:42 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [R] empirical (sandwich) SE estimate in lme ()?
> >
> >
> > Is it possible to get the empirical (sandwich) S.E. estimates for the
> > fixed effects in lme () (thus allowing possibly correlated
> > errors within
> > the group)? In SAS you can get it by the 'empirical' option
> > to PROC MIXED.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Michael
> >
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best,
-tony

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