While my original design was balanced, I lost several replicates due to a storm, making the whole thing unbalanced. Ah, the realities of ecology.
So, how does one look at individual strata, and then how would one report an aggregate test of the effect in general? On Nov 9, 2005, at 4:38 AM, Peter Dalgaard wrote: > Prof Brian Ripley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> A multistratum aov() fit is just a list of aov() fits, so you can >> apply >> functions such as Anova to the individual strata. >> >> However, why do you want types II and III sums of squares? It is >> usual >> to do this type of analysis only with balanced designs. In the cases >> I >> can envisage that these make any sense, they are the same as type I >> (and in cases with only one treatment effect, they always are). > > > I was about to make a similar comment. A possible exception is ANCOVA > where you likely want to test both the within-stratum effect of a > covariate and the effect of design factors adjusted for the covariate. > > >> On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, Jarrett Byrnes wrote: >> >>> I've recently run into the problem of using aov with nested factors, >>> and wanting to get the type II and III sums of squares. Normally >>> Anova >>> from the car package would do fine, but it doesn't like having an >>> Error >>> included, so >>> >>> my.aov <-aov(Response ~ Treatment + Error(Treatment:Replicate)) >>> Anova(my.aov, type="II") >>> >>> yields >>> >>> Error in Anova(nested.anova) : no applicable method for "Anova" >>> >>> And lm does not take Error as an argument. >> >> Nor does log()! Is that relevant? >> >>> Error in eval(expr, envir, enclos) : couldn't find function "Error" >>> >>> Is there a way to get these additional types of sums of squares when >>> Error is included in an aov model? >> >> Have you read the reference on the aov help page? That might be a >> good >> step to deepening your understanding of what Error() does. >> >> -- >> Brian D. Ripley, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Professor of Applied Statistics, http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~ripley/ >> University of Oxford, Tel: +44 1865 272861 (self) >> 1 South Parks Road, +44 1865 272866 (PA) >> Oxford OX1 3TG, UK Fax: +44 1865 272595 >> >> ______________________________________________ >> [email protected] mailing list >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help >> PLEASE do read the posting guide! >> http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html >> > > -- > O__ ---- Peter Dalgaard Øster Farimagsgade 5, Entr.B > c/ /'_ --- Dept. of Biostatistics PO Box 2099, 1014 Cph. K > (*) \(*) -- University of Copenhagen Denmark Ph: (+45) > 35327918 > ~~~~~~~~~~ - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) FAX: (+45) > 35327907 > > ______________________________________________ > [email protected] mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide! > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > ______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
