Well, the risk is small of choosing the wrong editor, because I won't be producing such videos. Make no mistake, I think that they could be a great idea, but only if executed by someone with more of a clue about remote education than I have! However, the suggestion is now out in the archives, so maybe such a person will pick it up and run with it!
I've had a number of very useful suggestions off-list, which I am following up separately, and I'd like to encourage all the new and relatively new users on this list to send me their gripes - off list, of course, if you wish. Cheers Andrew On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 02:55:08PM +0200, S?ren H?jsgaard wrote: > And which editor would that be??? And don't say Emacs+ESS - people who are > able to use Emacs+ESS would not need such videos! > Best > S?ren > > > -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- > > Fra: Frank E Harrell Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sendt: 4. maj 2006 14:30 > > Til: S?ren H?jsgaard > > Cc: Uwe Ligges; Andrew Robinson; R-Help Discussion > > Emne: Re: [R] New-user support package - suggestions? > > > > S?ren H?jsgaard wrote: > > > Dear Andrew, > > > > > > I tend to agree with Uwe. > > > > > > A perhaps more useful approach for achieving your goal > > would be to create a video introduction to R. On > > http://www.learnvisualstudio.net/ you can find examples of > > such introductory videos for programming, for example in C#. > > > > > > I've experimented a little myself with creating such videos > > for "getting started" with R, i.e. installing R, installing > > the Tinn-R editor, using the help facilities, finding things > > on CRAN. It is not as easy to do as I had thought... (If > > anyone is interested in the result, please drop me a line and > > I'll send you a link).. There are various relevant pieces of > > software around, for example camtasia (commercial) and > > camstudio (freeware).. > > > > > > Such a set of videos could make it onto CRAN... > > > > > > Best > > > S?ren > > > > But please choose an editor that works on all platforms. > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p? vegne af Uwe Ligges > > > Sendt: to 04-05-2006 09:13 > > > Til: Andrew Robinson > > > Cc: R-Help Discussion > > > Emne: Re: [R] New-user support package - suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Robinson wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Dear Community, > > >> > > >>This is largely a repost with some new information. > > >> > > >>I'm interested in developing a package that could ease the > > >>command-line learning curve for new users. It would provide more > > >>detailed syntax checking and commentary as feedback. It > > would try to > > >>anticipate common new-user errors, and provide feedback to help > > >>correct them. > > > > > > > > > Re. "anticipate", see > > > > > > install.packages("fortunes") > > > library("fortunes") > > > fortune("anticipate") > > > > > > > > > > > >>As a trivial example, instead of > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>mean(c(1,2,NA)) > > >> > > >>[1] NA > > >> > > >>we might have > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>mean(c(1,2,NA)) > > >> > > >>[1] NA > > >>Warning: your data contains missing values. If you wish to ignore > > >>these for the purposes of computing the mean, use the argument: > > >>"na.rm=TRUE". > > > > > > > > > > > > Attention. If you give help like this, you will implicitly > > teach users > > > not to read the manuals but trust on R's warning/error messages and > > > suggestions. > > > Some students won't ask the question "why do my data > > contain NAs" but > > > will start using na.rm=TRUE, even if the error was in a > > prior step and > > > no NAs were expected at all. > > > > > > > > > > > >>I'm interested in any thoughts that people have about this > > idea - what > > >>errors do you commonly see, and how can they be dealt with? > > >> > > >>I have funding for 6 weeks of programming support for this > > idea. All > > >>suggestions are welcome. > > >> > > >>Cheers, > > >> > > >>Andrew > > > > > > > > > > > > Your project sounds very ambitious. I anticipate you will be > > > disappointed after 6 weeks of "programming", because you won't have > > > achieved very much. I'd rather try to spend 6 weeks of time > > for some > > > more promising projects... > > > > > > Just my first thoughts, just go on with your project if you > > are convinced. > > > > > > Best, > > > Uwe Ligges > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > [email protected] mailing list > > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > > PLEASE do read the posting guide! > > > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > [email protected] mailing list > > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > > > PLEASE do read the posting guide! > > > http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > > > > > > > > > -- > > Frank E Harrell Jr Professor and Chair School of Medicine > > Department of Biostatistics > > Vanderbilt University > > -- Andrew Robinson Department of Mathematics and Statistics Tel: +61-3-8344-9763 University of Melbourne, VIC 3010 Australia Fax: +61-3-8344-4599 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ms.unimelb.edu.au ______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
