Peter

Yes spelling would help!  I transcribed this from one screen to another
and still the penny didn't drop.  And the transformation works too.

getAnywhere() is yet another useful function that I hadn't heard about...

Many thanks for saving my house.

Best wishes

John

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On 13 Jul 2006, Peter Dalgaard wrote:

> John Logsdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Peter
> > 
> > This looks very promising:
> > 
> > x<-mod.lme$model$Struct$corStruct
> > Correlation structure of class corAR1 representing
> >        Phi
> > -0.1996813
> > 
> > which is the value I want.  
> > 
> > Yippee (save the bricks)
> > 
> > But:
> > 
> > coef(x,unconstrained=FALSE)
> > [1] -0.4048011
> > 
> > and any attempt to coerce x into a scalar always returns -0.404...
> 
> Works for me. Is there a rogue coef() around?? Or did you misspell
> "unconstrained" and not tell us?
> 
> > coef(x,uncostrained=FALSE)
> [1] 0.1171201
> > coef(x,unconstrained=FALSE)
>        Phi
> 0.05849318
>  
> 
>  
> > This is not an obvious transformation of the -0.1996813 I think.
> 
> Obvious is in the eyes of the beholder, but:
> 
> > aux <- exp(-0.4048011)
> > (aux - 1) / (aux + 1)
> [1] -0.1996813
> 
> > Looking at str(x) returns the first line:
> > 
> > Classes 'corAR1', 'corStruct' atomic [1:1] -0.405
> > 
> > Not a -0.199 ... in sight in the attributes various.
> > 
> > How does summary.lme/gls do it?
> 
> I don't think they do anything, but their print methods call
> print.corStruct which calls coef.corAR1. And
> 
> > getAnywhere(coef.corAR1)
> A single object matching coef.corAR1 was found
> It was found in the following places
>   registered S3 method for coef from namespace nlme
>   namespace:nlme
> with value
> 
> function (object, unconstrained = TRUE, ...)
> {
>     if (unconstrained) {
>         if (attr(object, "fixed")) {
>             return(numeric(0))
>         }
>         else {
>             return(as.vector(object))
>         }
>     }
>     aux <- exp(as.vector(object))
>     aux <- c((aux - 1)/(aux + 1))
>     names(aux) <- "Phi"
>     aux
> }
> <environment: namespace:nlme>
> > aux <- exp(-0.4048011
> 
> 
>  
> > Best wishes
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > John Logsdon                               "Try to make things as simple
> > Quantex Research Ltd, Manchester UK         as possible but not simpler"
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]              [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > +44(0)161 445 4951/G:+44(0)7717758675       www.quantex-research.com
> > 
> > 
> > On 13 Jul 2006, Peter Dalgaard wrote:
> > 
> > > John Logsdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > 
> > > > I am trying to extract into a scalar the value of Phi from the printed
> > > > output of gls or lme using corAR1 correlation.  ie I want the estimate 
> > > > of
> > > > the autocorrelation.  I can't see how to do this and haven't seen it
> > > > anywhere in str(model.lme).
> > > > 
> > > > I can get all the other information - fixed and random effects etc.
> > > > 
> > > > Is there an obvious way so that I can save the brick wall some damage?
> > > 
> > > Just be soft in the head...
> > > 
> > > Seriously, I think the recipe is to drill down into model.lme until
> > > you find the corAR1 class object,  like this, I think.
> > > 
> > > x <- model.lme$modelStruct$corStruct
> > > coef(x,unconstrained=FALSE). 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > >    O__  ---- Peter Dalgaard             Øster Farimagsgade 5, Entr.B
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> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
>    O__  ---- Peter Dalgaard             Øster Farimagsgade 5, Entr.B
>   c/ /'_ --- Dept. of Biostatistics     PO Box 2099, 1014 Cph. K
>  (*) \(*) -- University of Copenhagen   Denmark          Ph:  (+45) 35327918
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