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Dieter Menne wrote: > Ben Bolker <bolker <at> zoo.ufl.edu> writes: > >> Well, we do have an R wiki -- http://wiki.r-project.org/rwiki/doku.php -- >> although it is not as active as I'd like. (We got stuck halfway through >> porting Paul Johnson's "R Tips" to it ...) Please contribute! > > I once tried: > > http://wiki.r-project.org/rwiki/doku.php?id=guides:lmer-tests > > but I don't think I will do this again on the existing Wiki. I am a frequent > Wikipedia-Writer, so I know how it works, but this was discouraging. > > 1) The structure of the Wiki was and is still incomprehensibly to me. I needed > too much time to find out how to put the stuff into it. Really bad. This was the best design we obtained after a hard work of several tens of people. Sorry for you. By the way, did you ever noticed that Wikipedia basically has NO structure? It is intended to be mostly accessed by KEYWORDS. On the main page, you have: "main" (that page), then "content" (explanation and general links to the whole content), plus a couple of selected content links (featured, recent, random). So, if you like this structure, that is, basically, no structure and access through keywords... why not to do the same with the R Wiki? Just type your keyword in the top-right text entry and click "search". Then, you don't need to care about that "structure that is still incomprehensible to you". > 2) I decided to use the "large guides" section, because I wanted the thread > transcript to be one one page. If you check the revision history, you will > find > that I needed more than three hours to get it working. The main reason is the > sluggish response, and the incomprehensible error messages or the lack of it > when some " was not matched or whatever (Thanks, Ben, for correcting the > remaining errors). This is a problem of the Wiki software used, other Wikis > such > as Media(pedia) are much more tolerant or informant. As I said, sluggish response is probably due to a combination of a slow Internet communication from your computer to the server at the time you edited your page, the edition of a too large page, and lack of edition section per section (you can edit each paragraph separately). I already made some corrections on the Wiki when I was in USA (the server is in Belgium, Europe), and it was not sluggish at all... On other circumstances, I noted a much slower reaction, too. That's Internet! DokuWiki is NOT slower than Mediawiki, especially with an underused Wiki site as R wiki is currently. > Then, Philippe Grosjean informed me: "Your page is way too long and is a > rather > crude copy and paste from the long thread in the mailing list." Yes, I still believe so. Wiki pages are more effective when they are kept short. > I disagree. Why do you have a "large guides" section? And taking into account > the amount of work I put into reformatting the transcript, I decided it was my > first and last contribution to the Wiki. The "large guides" section is for ... large guides, of course... but who said that they should be all contained in a single page??? Just quoting http://wiki.r-project.org/rwiki/doku.php?id=guides:guides: "If it is a larger contribution with many pages, create a dedicated subsection in tutorials (like “stats-with-r”, for instance)." The key is there: a large guide should better be represented by several wiki pages collected together in a dedicated subsection. Is it that hard to understand? Philippe Grosjean > Dieter Menne > > ______________________________________________ > R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help > PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html > and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code. > ______________________________________________ R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.