Dear David, > -----Original Message----- > From: David Winsemius [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 1:54 PM > To: John Fox > Cc: 'Milan Bouchet-Valat'; 'r-sig-mac' > Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Ugly default Tk font on Mac OS > > > On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:26 AM, John Fox wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > Milan and I have now corresponded about this issue privately, and it > appears that there's a difference in the font used under his Mac OS X > system (running Snow Leopard) and mine (running Mountain Lion). I > currently get the font > > > > > tkfont.actual("RcmdrDefaultFont") > > <Tcl> -family {Bitstream Vera Sans} -size 10 -weight normal -slant > roman -underline 0 -overstrike 0 > > > > which (to my eye) is substantially more attractive than what I get > when I hard-code Helvetica: > > > > <Tcl> -family Helvetica -size 10 -weight normal -slant roman - > underline 0 -overstrike 0 > > > > I don't know what the source of the difference is -- a different X- > windows is used for Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion, and Milan and I are > in different language locales. > > > > Of course, if there's a way to correct this problem, I'm happy to > implement it. > > Just as a point of reference. With a recently installed update to Snow > Leopard (yes, I'm way behind that adoption curve) and Rcmdr version > 1.8.4 ( I'm not a user and I see this is out-of-date) , I get: > > > tkfont.actual("RcmdrDefaultFont") > <Tcl> -family {Bitstream Vera Sans} -size 12 -weight normal -slant roman > -underline 0 -overstrike 0
Thanks for this -- it's helpful, though (as you note), the current CRAN version of the Rcmdr is 1.9-1. The development version, 1.9-2 on R-Forge, has a number of cosmetic improvements, but not a change to font-handling. Best, John > > > > > > Best, > > John > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Milan Bouchet-Valat [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 4:15 AM > >> To: r-sig-mac > >> Cc: John Fox > >> Subject: Ugly default Tk font on Mac OS > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >> On Mac OS, since John Fox has removed the code that forced the > default > >> font to be Helvetica (which is a good idea), Rcommander looks > terribly > >> ugly (try by yourself ;-). I've reports of this on at least two > >> machines, under Snow Leopard. > >> > >> I've played a bit with fonts on such machines, and I discovered that > the > >> problem is not particular to Rcmdr at all, but that it affects all > named > >> fonts that are created manually. > >> > >> Rcommander uses a font created that way: > >> .Tcl("font create RcmdrDefaultFont -size X") # with X a given value > >> > >> On Mac OS, this command creates a font whose family name is "fixed", > >> according to tkfont.actual(), and it is somewhat translated to an > ugly > >> font. This is weird, because all default Tk fonts, like > TkDefaultFont, > >> TkTextFont, TkMenuFont... all use "helvetica" as font family, which > is a > >> reasonable default (and not a fixed font). What might be happening on > >> Macs is that system fonts like "systemSystemFont", > >> "systemApplicationFont" and friends are _not_ defined correctly, i.e. > >> they also use "fixed" as font family. So maybe newly created named > fonts > >> inherits from them. > >> > >> On Linux (and most likely on Windows), the default font family is > >> correct when creating a named font. > >> > >> > >> Here's a minimal example that reproduces the issue: > >> library(tcltk) > >> .Tcl("font create test") > >> tkfont.actual("test") # Wrong > >> tkfont.actual("TkDefaultFont") # OK > >> tkfont.actual("systemSystemFont) # Wrong > >> etc. > >> > >> > >> Regards > > > > _______________________________________________ > > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > > David Winsemius, MD > Alameda, CA, USA _______________________________________________ R-SIG-Mac mailing list [email protected] https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
