Eric,
On Mar 18, 2009, at 10:38 , Eric Wooten wrote:
>....it's quite embarrassing that people create such horrible output
despite the fact that R has >much better graphics devices...
Simon, with great respect paid to your unbelievably hard and ongoing
work, I think this notion that the users should just know better
ways of using R is a big part of the problem here. R as currently
figured is essentially the biggest scavenger hunt in the history of
man tied to an essentially un-searchable application name.
How many packages in CRAN even have so much as a poorly documented
vignette? In my experience, many of those few existing vignettes
won't even work properly as coded, aren't actually explained in any
event, and generally include at least one or two deprecated commands.
These better graphics devices may well exist, but the vast majority
of R is largely undocumented beyond this sort of monkey-see, monkey-
do (and you're lucky when/if you get that much; yes, I understand
you can dig in and look at the underlying code...that's precisely
not the point).
The end result is that most users never know about more than a
fractional percent of available features; and those bits of
knowledge they probably happened upon whilst trying to solve very
specific problems that sent them wandering through sites such as the
one linked. Thus, these solutions seem like manna from heaven and
not at all something that's sub-par or of low relative quality.
No, I don't have any good solutions to offer, really, as most of
these complaints land squarely on the doorsteps of the package
maintaners (rather than yours). But it is frustrating that the
conversations don't even seem to be happening; instead, users are
criticized for struggling towards ad hoc solutions to problems they
shouldn't be having anyway.
To be honest I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I
was not talking about any packages or hidden features at all. Almost
all default graphics device (quartz on Mac OS X and X11 on all other
unices) as well as bitmap graphics output (png, jpeg, ...) are now
producing very nice output and Brian Ripley has spent quite some time
recently making all devices as consistent as possible and adding cairo
backend to be default in R to produce good output and support modern
drawing features. In addition, there are better formats such as PDF to
consider which also work very well. Hence I don't see why we should
put up with font rendering reminiscent of the time of 8 color displays
many decades ago.
In addition we are on SIG-Mac here, and you have to work really,
really hard to get such horrible output on a Mac ;)
Cheers,
Simon
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Simon Urbanek <[email protected]
> wrote:
On Mar 18, 2009, at 8:44 , David Winsemius wrote:
And it now works fine for me as well. When I was running some of the
graphics examples in the thread yesterday on recreating a JMP
graphic, I noticed that the behavior had persisted in other plots,
but that it later reverted to normal clipping behavior. Today
rerunning that code does not reproduce the problem. I have revisited
the webpage ;
http://addictedtor.free.fr/graphiques/RGraphGallery.php?graph=127
... and repasted the code and the off-graph plotting does not return.
Oh my - the quality of the graphs on that website is horrible ...
it's quite embarrassing that people create such horrible output
despite the fact that R has much better graphics devices ...
Cheers,
Simon
--
David Winsemius
Someplace during the
On Mar 18, 2009, at 7:54 AM, Denis Chabot wrote:
Strange, it worked fine for me. At least it did after a fresh start of
R, with no additional package installed.
Denis
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Le 09-03-18 à 07:00, [email protected] a écrit :
Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:38:20 -0400
From: David Winsemius <[email protected]>
Subject: [R-SIG-Mac] qqline plots outside plot area
To: R-SIG-Mac Mailing List <[email protected]>
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I just executed the example in the R graph gallery for qqplot and it
includes a call to qqline. It plots the line beyond the plotting
region, unlike the illustration and unlike the behavior of any of the
other "line" functions in my (limited) experience. the example on the
help page for qqplot/qqline does the same. It does not appear that I
have masked qqline with another package version.
y <- rt(200, df = 5)
qqnorm(y); qqline(y, col = 2)
--
David Winsemius, MD
Heritage Laboratories
West Hartford, CT
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