"It's the selling it yourself part that can be the validation now"
That's a really good point, and one I hadn't considered that way before. Hmmm.... On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Alicia Henn <[email protected]> wrote: > I remember after reading Riverworld, racing to get my hands on any Farmer I > could find. I ended up with a book, was it Lord Tyger? in which men dueled > with crossed erections. There is a lot of expectation that goes into the > impression of a book. It certainly wasn't what I was expecting and I was > disappointed. > > As far as the self-publishing bit circumventing validation, that was true > in the past, but a lot of publishers are picking up books after they've been > self-published and have started to sell. It's the selling it yourself part > that can be the validation now. > > Alicia > > > > On Feb 11, 2010, at 12:10 AM, Sal Armoniac wrote: > > You should see the long looooooooong protracted debate on Rob Sawyer's Face > Book page about why it is better to get publishing companies to print your > book than to self-publish. There are people out there who really believe > that going through the "filtering process" of acceptance and validation by > any press guarantees quality over those who are more "impatient." To be > sure, Rob's first remark was to vilify those who suggested to any author > that they self-publish when the enterprise could come to naught (especially > economically). > > I think the worst novel I read, next to _Woman Between the Worlds_, was > Jonathan Carroll's _Sleeping in Flame_. Touted all over as the next best > thing to sliced bread in the realm of intellectual fantasy. > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Dana Paxson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> 35 years or so ago I was driving my family through the Adirondacks, and to >> keep the kids entertained, started making up a song about the Adirondack >> Shark. I guess I was just participating in some silly cosmic freshwater >> resonance. >> >> >> Eric Scoles wrote: >> >> Are you sure he was serious? (Then again, if I have to ask...) >> >> When I was younger I thought it would be fun to write a novel about a >> giant muskelunge eating swimmers in Lake Michigan. Thought it would be fun >> to see if people took it seriously. Somebody else suggested, 'why not just >> make it a gigantic bass and set it in Long Lake?'* Then someone went and >> made _Champlain_, which I'm told was about a gigantic alligator terrorizing >> swimmers in Lake Champlain, and I realized that the world had moved on >> without me. >> >> >> -- >> *My brothers & I spent hours one weekend catching and re-catching (and >> re-re-catching) undersized smallmouth bass on Long Lake. One of our running >> jokes had to do with crossing them with piranha. So, there's another idea. >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Jonathan Sherwood < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sorry to digress slightly, but the absolute worst case of collaboration >>> was a book my dear wife bought me for a beach read. It was by Piers Anthony >>> and some other guy. It's called "Spider Legs," and holds my personal record >>> for worst book ever read. It was so bad I had to finish it just because it >>> was hard to believe it was ever put into print instead of sent back to the >>> depths of Hell by the publisher. >>> >>> It's basically "Jaws" but with a giant spider crab. Why do good authors >>> do that? >>> >>> http://www.amazon.com/Spider-Legs-Fantasy-Piers-Anthony/dp/0812564898 >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Sal Armoniac <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Asimov also declined. I can't stand his later novels. Clarke's quality >>>> dropped because he started collaborating with less skillful writers. It >>>> bothers me, even, that he wrote his two novels 2001 and 2010 in >>>> collaboration with filmmakers. Kubrick's film is far better, and has >>>> reached >>>> more people than Clarke's novel, which is a let down after seeing the >>>> film. I'm having a hard time teaching him. >>>> Sally >>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:48 PM, SteveC <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Blather. Most of the writers at the high age range of that chart >>>>> started publishing many years before such a thing as a Hugo Award for >>>>> novels existed. Make 1955 your base line (when the Hugos started being >>>>> awarded annually) instead of first published work and the whole chart >>>>> shifts downward. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "R-SPEC: The Rochester Speculative Literature Association" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]<r-spec%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/r-spec?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "R-SPEC: The Rochester Speculative Literature Association" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<r-spec%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/r-spec?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "R-SPEC: The Rochester Speculative Literature Association" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<r-spec%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/r-spec?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "R-SPEC: The Rochester Speculative Literature Association" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/r-spec?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "R-SPEC: The Rochester Speculative Literature Association" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<r-spec%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/r-spec?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "R-SPEC: The Rochester Speculative Literature Association" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/r-spec?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "R-SPEC: The Rochester Speculative Literature Association" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<r-spec%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/r-spec?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R-SPEC: The Rochester Speculative Literature Association" group. 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