William Shatner had far more time to just ACT than Chris Pine. And the stories were outstanding, many of them. Yeah, the sets were cheesy, but I remember so many episodes that stuck with me viscerally and intellectually back when I was a teenager. In a series, there is more time to write reflective pieces that stretch an actor's abilities, that present one issue at a time, that keep us riveted each week, that unfold a story slowly. Boy, did they miss the mark. I guess they were afraid of the failure of ST: Voyager and Enterprise. And TNG was, IMO, the best and most successful Star Trek series. (Who could do better than "Measure of a Man" or "Darmok" or "The Inner Light"? )I think the subsequent series failed because they lost their fan base and television series were going in a new direction: just look at the expensive and brilliant HBO series. If they had joined that genre, hired the right writers who took more risks, Star Trek could have been up there with Spartacus, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones. HOWEVER: what they did is capitulate to the fan expectation of a wholesome, starched, PG, universe where everyone is on their best behavior, no one says anything stronger than "shit," and the plots are predictable as hell.
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Eric Scoles <[email protected]> wrote: > yeh, except the Abrams version of Kirk is much more irritating than the > Roddenberry version. And as cliched as Shatner's moves seem in retrospect, > I think he was probably a better actor at that time than Pine is, today. So > I would liked to see someone else doing Kirk if it were to have been made a > series. (but by all means keep simon pegg.) > > oblivion: maybe i'll buy it from the discount bin or watch it on amazon. I > have to suspect the 'strange stuff'' ends up mostly fairly obvious > (avoiding potential spoilers), but it did look like there was some > potential. > > > On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Sally Caves <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Eric: Oblivion is the one about the two people left on earth to man the >> bots that kill the remaining aliens after they had destroyed their earth... >> they are due to migrate along with the rest of the human race to Titan as >> soon as they can get as many of the hostiles as possible. Strange things >> develop. It was superior to Star Trek by thiiiiiiiiiiiis much. >> >> Robert: you nailed it for me as well. Just exactly why WERE Kahn's >> people put in the torpedoes? Never could figure that out. Along with you: >> why just Kahn (for the superior life-giving blood)? The fight on the truck >> as it moved... God, how trite. Chris said it was like being at a continuous >> display of fireworks for two hours. >> >> It would have made such an awesome series. Yet another Star Trek series, >> yes, but full of promise. They got greedy, though, and turned it into a >> second-rate blockbuster. >> >> >> On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Eric Scoles <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I haven't seen Oblivion; I thought I remembered talking with someone >>> about it at the last meeting, but I'm mixing up a lot in my head lately. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Sally Caves <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> We didn't much care for this Star Trek either... seemed one long big >>>> car chase, and the jokes were forced. The first one was superior, and had >>>> they really been thinking they'd have turned this into a series like Mad >>>> Men. That way, they could have had subtler plots and character development, >>>> multiple adventures, and a longer time to develop them. They wouldn't have >>>> been forced to push so much into a two hour time slot. Think how Kahn might >>>> have developed over time. Spock and Uhura's unlikely romance could have >>>> seemed more likely. Plus, you forget the characters. You love them at the >>>> time, but three years later they look just a little older and... thicker. >>>> >>>> Looking forward to World's End. What did people think of Oblivion? >>>> >>>> Sarah >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Eric Scoles <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Benny chewed the scenery very well. >>>>> >>>>> We all agreed it was fun, but I don't personally care much if I ever >>>>> see it again. >>>>> >>>>> (I will say Sisto makes a great Spock.) >>>>> >>>>> I'm very much looking forward to The World's End, myself, which we >>>>> have on our calendar for August. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Sally Caves <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey, too bad! Chris and I saw it. Benedict Cumberbatch is awesome. >>>>>> LOL (but I like him already) Hope you enjoy it.... Did you go see >>>>>> Oblivion? We really enjoyed that. Sarah >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Alan Vincent Michaels < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> No worries. At the rate I'm going today, getting there by 3 might be >>>>>>> a challenge. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Eric Scoles >>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See y'all there. Alan, I probably won't be there quite that early >>>>>>>> but I'll try not to leave you hanging out alone for too long. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Dave Henn <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have to work. As Alan said Alicia might join at the restaurant. >>>>>>>>> I might too. Though in both our cases only for drinks or a light snack >>>>>>>>> since Lydia is cooking us dinner tonight. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 25, 2013, Alan Vincent Michaels wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Eric, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michele and I will be there, probably a half-hour or little more >>>>>>>>>> early. I don't think the crowds will be big, but it is the second >>>>>>>>>> weekend >>>>>>>>>> of the movie and a holiday weekend, too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alicia may join us for dinner and discussion afterwards. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I haven't receive any feedback from others. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dinner and discussion afterwards is always a possibility. Near >>>>>>>>>> the theater are Jeremiah's II, Quaker Steak & Lube, and Pixley's >>>>>>>>>> Restaurant. I've had good food in all three restaurants. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alan >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Eric Scoles < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'll be there, most likely with Brad. Janice may sit this one >>>>>>>>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Anybody else planning to go? Any thoughts on after? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Eric Scoles < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm out of the pool on this -- where did folks go the last >>>>>>>>>>>> couple of times, & what did they think? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Alan < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I had already posted this. Apparently, my time this >>>>>>>>>>>>> week has been sucked into a traveling black hole! Darned those >>>>>>>>>>>>> rogue >>>>>>>>>>>>> singularities. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the movie and time for this Saturday... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Star Trek: Into Darkness* >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cinemark Tinseltown (Gates), 2291 Buffalo Rd, Rochester, NY >>>>>>>>>>>>> 14624 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Saturday, May 25 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3:15 p.m. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 hours 12 minutes run time >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Regular movie version @ $7.25 per person; not the IMAX 3D or >>>>>>>>>>>>> real D 3D version!) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We'll decide as a group if / where dinner is after the movie. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan Vincent Michaels >>>>>>>>>>>>> R-SPEC Program Officer >>>>>>>>>>>>> 585-729-6167 >>>>>>>>>>>>> alan.vincent.michaels@gmail.**com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google 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