Yes, after racket –l setup, things are very fast to start up on the phones now. 
 In fact, it is so much faster to start than Chibi, that is a reason to switch 
all by itself.

Thanks, everyone!


From: William Hatch [mailto:willgha...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:40 AM
To: Matthew Flatt; John Carmack
Cc: Racket Users
Subject: Re: [racket-users] Startup times

In my arch Linux chroot environment on my nexus 4 a hello world program in 
racket/base runs in .37 seconds, and strace reports 95% of time spent in read.

So I bet you'll get something in that ballpark after raco setup.
On September 14, 2015 7:47:20 PM MDT, Matthew Flatt 
<mfl...@cs.utah.edu<mailto:mfl...@cs.utah.edu>> wrote:

Unfortunately, `raco make` may go wrong if its own implementation is
not compiled.

You probably want `raco setup` or (equivalently) `racket -l setup`,
which should be fast if it's just a matter of updating file timestamps.

At Mon, 14 Sep 2015 20:20:39 -0500, Robby Findler wrote:

 If you run "raco make -v cmdline2.rkt" you will see output if .zo
 compilation is happening.

 Robby


 On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 8:16 PM, John Carmack 
<jo...@oculus.com<mailto:jo...@oculus.com>> wrote:

 No strace on Android, unfortunately.



 From: Marc Burns [mailto:m4bu...@uwaterloo.ca]
 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 8:10 PM
 To: John Carmack
 Cc: Racket

Users
 Subject: Re: [racket-users] Startup times



 Here’s the result of `strace -c -f -- racket -l racket/base` for Racket
 
6.1.1.8<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://6.1.1.8&k=ZVNjlDMF0FElm4dQtryO4A%3D%3D%0A&r=Kjg6LltY9QjkipKooaVldA%3D%3D%0A&m=Wy0opR%2FC6i4dGkOl4%2BWs595vJLpUEmCUZ7CcgVkP6bA%3D%0A&s=08b1c16bc2f60178f10b9d43947854d7462783fd52571acd4ab28bdd9b8dfb5b>
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 % time     seconds  usecs/call     calls    errors syscall

 ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------

  99.08    0.004000         571         7           nanosleep

   0.92    0.000037           0       236           read

   0.00    0.000000           0       103        23 open

   0.00    0.000000           0        79           close

 …



 Does it look similar on the Note 4?



 On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:00 PM, Marc Burns 
<m4bu...@uwaterloo.ca<mailto:m4bu...@uwaterloo.ca>> wrote:



 Set the environment variable PLTSTDERR=debug to get more verbose output.



 Startup involves traversing all the

bytecode files that comprise the base
 environment. How fast is filesystem access on the Note 4 compared to PC? You
 could use strace to find the latency on different system calls made during
 startup.



 On Sep 14, 2015, at 8:55 PM, John Carmack 
<jo...@oculus.com<mailto:jo...@oculus.com>> wrote:



 I am experimenting with running racket natively on Android to compare with
 my current embedded Chibi scheme implementation.  It would be convenient to
 just leave racket as a separate process and communicate over sockets/pipes
 so it exactly mimics my remote development case.



 The startup time to run a trivial console program is very long.  A one line
 program with #lang racket/base takes over seven seconds:



 root@trlte:/mnt/shell/emulated/0/Oculus/racket/bin # time ./racket
 cmdline2.rkt

 cmdline2.rkt
 <

 line 1

 line 2

 line

3

 line 4

 line 5

 line 6

 line 7

 line 8

 line 9

     0m7.96s real     0m7.04s user     0m0.65s system



 My first test, which still had the default #lang racket, took almost a
 minute to start:



 root@trlte:/mnt/shell/emulated/0/Oculus/racket/bin # time ./racket
 cmdline.rkt

 cmdline.rkt
 <

 line 1

 line 2

 line 3

 line 4

 line 5

 line 6

 line 7

 line 8

 line 9

     0m54.16s real     0m48.68s user     0m4.83s system



 On a PC, it only takes a fraction of a second.  This was on a Note 4, which
 should not be 100x slower than a PC.  Could it not be using the compiled
 library bytecode somehow?  I didn’t see any command line options for verbose
 output on startup, is there any way to force

some extra information?





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